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Post by Grace on Apr 2, 2018 17:33:10 GMT -5
I know she shoots two in the books, that's exactly what I hate because it's unrealistic.
What I'm asking is whether or not she shoots both in the episode, I only remember seeing her shoot one. Also, the seemingly unlimited number of harpoons to shoot (the harpoon guns in the book only allow for four shots) make the scene somewhat less suspenseful.
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Post by gliquey on Apr 2, 2018 17:46:30 GMT -5
I know she shoots two in the books, that's exactly what I hate because it's unrealistic. What I'm asking is whether or not she shoots both in the episode, I only remember seeing her shoot one. Also, the seemingly unlimited number of harpoons to shoot (the harpoon guns in the book only allow for four shots) make the scene somewhat less suspenseful. I thought the episode had the same thing, Esme spearing both books and the crow in the same harpoon.
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Post by mizbizsav on Apr 2, 2018 17:57:59 GMT -5
I know she shoots two in the books, that's exactly what I hate because it's unrealistic. What I'm asking is whether or not she shoots both in the episode, I only remember seeing her shoot one. Also, the seemingly unlimited number of harpoons to shoot (the harpoon guns in the book only allow for four shots) make the scene somewhat less suspenseful. Does Isadora carry a commonplace book in the show? I don't remember her having one in The Austere Academy episodes and don't remember it in The Vile Village, either. (Somehow I've just seen these episodes and yet my mind is still blank.) Of course, I could just pull up the episodes and watch those certain parts... but posting conjectures on a message board is much more fun.
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Post by Shelly on Apr 2, 2018 20:37:52 GMT -5
Episode five thoughts: (if these have already been said forgive me I'm avoiding episode six posts) Goodness the town of VFD looks ghastly. Fowl Fountain looks more horrifying, like the book description and not like Helquist’s illustrations. I don’t mind the addition of the saloon, if only to see more VFD insignias and easter egg props. Good improv from Olaf re: Mr Poe dropping in. The Council of Elders and rules were done very well. Poor Hector seems less gutsy in this adaptation as a first impression. Lucy Punch is killing it as Esme/Luciana. Great to see mob psychology making an early appearance. Jacques name dropped Dante the author and I can only think of Dante the 667 member hah. In the back of my mind I’m so sad to think of Jacques and his eventual oncoming fate.... The adaptation ascension makes him feel like a once-removed guardian to the Baudelaires who also gets murdered for being in Olaf’s way. The self sustaining hot air mobile home YAY. Fun bonus to see The Pony Party and The History of Lucky Smells included in the mobile home library. The “barking up the wrong tree” monologue. I wondered if the chores would be played off as “entitled/snowflake millennial” for some reason. Good to see that wasn't the case. Detective Dupin disguise time. Poor Jacques.... Mr Poe’s ineptitude is so frustrating. =================================================================== Edit: episode six thoughts: I agree with everyone saying the Quagmire shipteases feeling forced. I blame the lack of fleshing out their characters in TAA - they didn’t even bother to establish Duncan was an aspiring journalist until TEE. Nooooooo Jacques. It’s more emotional because of his expanded role in the adaptation. I forgot to verbalise this in my last post - Olivia being pointed in Madam Lulu’s direction. I’m intrigued to see how they pull off Madam Lulu in introducing Olivia Caliban so early. Placing the village in the Hinterlands was geographically smart, it sets up the rest of the Baudelaire journey from TCC onwards. Uhhhhh why include Mr Poe? His presence in the village makes less sense as a banker, even if Olaf has been captured. Unless his promotion was to a senior role not necessitating his physical presence there...semantics. And then we get him calling the bank about the circumstances and I get an explanation. That’s still suss. Deus ex machina. Good to see the same instruments from book Violet’s escape plan being repurposed for the adaptation Violet’s battering ram. I was never a fan of the water-wearing-away-at-the-mortar-plan. Great get with the fire engine and ladder. Much love for the VFD poem’s inclusion....
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Apr 3, 2018 2:04:06 GMT -5
If only. The Netflix series has brought in quite a few literary references that aren't in the books so I think it's a coincidence. But what the hell, let's apply death of the author and interpret it as a reference to Dante. You are too kind. It is conceivable that I may have indirectly provided research assistance to the Netflix version, but I have no direct evidence for this. Well, the opening does contain a phrase originally coined on this forum, so I don't think it's unlikely that you were at least a consideration in writing that reference. Shelly - For a moment while looking at the picture in your post, I thought Hector was also bringing the script to Doctor Horrible in the SSHAMH. Then I realised it was a photograph, not a screenshot.
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Post by Grace on Apr 3, 2018 4:07:44 GMT -5
I know she shoots two in the books, that's exactly what I hate because it's unrealistic. What I'm asking is whether or not she shoots both in the episode, I only remember seeing her shoot one. Also, the seemingly unlimited number of harpoons to shoot (the harpoon guns in the book only allow for four shots) make the scene somewhat less suspenseful. Does Isadora carry a commonplace book in the show? I don't remember her having one in The Austere Academy episodes and don't remember it in The Vile Village, either. (Somehow I've just seen these episodes and yet my mind is still blank.) Of course, I could just pull up the episodes and watch those certain parts... but posting conjectures on a message board is much more fun. Yeah, I just rewatched that bit and she does carry a notebook. They both drop their notebooks and (it's a little hard to see, especially on the first go round I was totally overstimulated, but) Esmé hits both AND the crow. Super annoying w/r/t verisimilitude, but it's there if you go back and watch it.
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Post by ironic impostor on Apr 3, 2018 4:29:31 GMT -5
Started my re-watch last night and just hit these episodes again. These episodes as a pair are probably my least favorite of the season (but in a season as strong as this one that's basically just saying they're B+'s rather than full on A's) but they have their handful of moments.
- I honestly love the scene when all the VFD crows fly over the town for the first time (not the opening, the one later after the first courthouse scene). The Baudelaires' reactions to seeing all the crows take off (especially Klaus') is one of the few moments in the series where they feel like genuine kids letting themselves be kids even amongst all the chaos. It really makes me smile, even if only briefly.
- Everything with Jacques (including prior appearances) is amazing. Fillion's an amazing addition to the season and he really gets the pace and humor while still making Jacques feel like a real character with a past and a history. This episode doesn't have my favorite Jacques scene of the season (that honor still goes to part two of "The Austere Academy" with the scene in the taxi), but it's definitely number two. It's the moment with Olivia in the Jail office where they read the neophyte inductee poem. Both times I've watched these episodes I've had to pause because I just got too emotional. I don't even really know why. Maybe it's just hearing someone recite that poem, feeling like it's a part of the canon that even non hardcore fans (aka: ones who haven't read the books in years or never completely finished them but might be watching the tv show) will finally be exposed to, is just too interesting to me. I don't know, it's just a moment that really hit me where it had to, I guess.
- Obviously the moment in which Lemony has to once again revisit the day of his brother's death is amazing due in no small part to Warburton's excellent performance.
The rest of these two I find less enticing than the other episodes of the season, to be honest. Again, they're not bad, they just feel a little more like season one episodes to me. I think it might just be because they're directly before what are currently my two favorite episodes of the season (it'll be interesting to see if a re-watch changes my mind on that, though) and I can't help but kinda feel like they're just filler that I have to get through before moving on to those.
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Post by Grace on Apr 3, 2018 5:03:08 GMT -5
TVV gave me a filler feeling too! But so did THH and I've been seeing that get a lot of love on here.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 3, 2018 5:48:40 GMT -5
I know she shoots two in the books, that's exactly what I hate because it's unrealistic. It's fair enough that you feel annoyed by how unrealistic the harpooning is, but I find it quite surprising that you do. Of all of the ludicrous and unrealistic things that happen in the story (and especially the Netflix show), Esmé's sharp shooting feels like a completely natural thing to happen.
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Post by Grace on Apr 3, 2018 6:24:42 GMT -5
Oh, that's just something I said elsewhere in the thread about the most unrealistic stuff to happen in ASOUE. Everyone's got their pet hates. Particularly frustrating because in the book it's the very last harpoon, AND it hits both, which destroys all hope of finding answers in their friends' notes. Kind of hard to take as a young researcher reading TVV for the first time.
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Post by Groge on Apr 3, 2018 8:30:48 GMT -5
I felt like these episodes were very close to the books, perhaps more than others even though there were changes. I think most of the changes though just fleshed the book out more with the bigger VFD picture.
Of course there's the whole "meanwhile" Olaf side of things that isn't it the books but serves as additional information leading up to his appearance as Dupin. I'm enjoying Lucy Punch as Esme a lot more now than originally. She was fantastic in this and Dupin was also very entertaining. Especially when Hector notices his voice is different so he does his "boopy boop bop do do" type thing and then reverts to Olaf "there, are you happy now?". I was in stitches!
Hector was ok apart from when he was about to feint. Did he always feint in the book? I really got tired of that quick.
The village itself, the nevermore tree, Hector's house and mobile home and all the residents were done very well. Really sad to see Jacques go and Lemony's monologues were all so touching.
I quite like that they are taking Larry and Olivia and letting us in to their VFD lives. Presumably Olivia will diguise as Lulu so well that the Baudelaire's won't recognise her at first. Then she'll reveal herself and the rest will play out the same as the book.
I like Jacquelyn but still don't understand why she's a character. Why add her in at all. Is there still reason to believe that she is in fact Kit? I think so.
Although I saw it coming towards the end, I liked the addition of Esme killing a crow and that being the elders number 1 rule. Was this rule mentioned at all in the book?
Also I can't remember but does Olaf ever say to the Baudelaires while they are in jail about 1 of them surviving so that he can still get their fortune? He does in the book but here it seems like he doesn't mind killing any of the orphans, Baudelaires and Quagmires.
Sunny was just adorable! More so than usual. Thanks to Sunny my wife is now more broody than ever! Sunny driving that fire engine was probably the highlight of the show. I'm kidding but I did love it. It was so ridiculous although I was happy to accept it instantly because it was hilarious.
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Post by Dante on Apr 3, 2018 9:46:05 GMT -5
Hector was ok apart from when he was about to feint. Did he always feint in the book? I really got tired of that quick. Never. In the book he just went mute whenever he had to face the Council of Elders. By having him faint, there's a slight change in moral nuance (complicated by the alteration in the Village's standard execution method). On the other hand, this plays out exactly as it does in the book, crow, rule, and all. There's less emphasis on it, but in the Netflix version he does say that he plans for one of the Baudelaires to get away in the confusion. He doesn't give the children the option of choosing which, though.
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Post by Groge on Apr 3, 2018 10:25:48 GMT -5
Hector was ok apart from when he was about to feint. Did he always feint in the book? I really got tired of that quick. Never. In the book he just went mute whenever he had to face the Council of Elders. By having him faint, there's a slight change in moral nuance (complicated by the alteration in the Village's standard execution method). On the other hand, this plays out exactly as it does in the book, crow, rule, and all. There's less emphasis on it, but in the Netflix version he does say that he plans for one of the Baudelaires to get away in the confusion. He doesn't give the children the option of choosing which, though. Thanks for clearing those points up for me. I actually reread the book last year after watching S.1 and yet somehow some of the plot escapes me. It's terrible actually. I may reread them again after S.2 so I can clearly pin point the changes. Instead of reading 10-13 soon I shall wait until S.3 is about to come out! Yeah I definitely missed Olaf talking about 1 of them getting away in the confusion. If I'd picked up on that it would have made a lot more sense
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Post by sᴍᴏᴋᴇ sɪɢɴᴀʟs on Apr 3, 2018 19:11:50 GMT -5
just finished them!
likes first: -once again, outstanding costumes and set design. -olaf also had a vfd spyglass! i forgot if they showed it earlier, or if he stole it from someone else, but seeing it in the episode was very nice. -the scene where the orphans read the induction poem was so touching. that, unlike some other scenes, actually had an effect.
and some dislikes: -romaaaaaaaance, of course. they're children! why does romance have to be involved in everything! i dont need to have romance to feel bad for the baudelaires and quagmires. seriously. - i wish that the dark parts were, well, darker. it seems glossed over. im not saying i want it to be all carnage and angst and blood and guts, but having a show with such funny parts and mostly bright design would work very well if interspersed by contrasting parts to those. im ashamed to say that i was disappointed when the "blood" was cranberry juice. people might make the argument "its a children's show", but the actual childrens books did a good job of not having terrible violence, while still giving this feeling of "holy **** someone just died". it felt blunted in these episodes. - olaf kills jacques with a..... crowbar? he doesnt seem very battered up when they show his face. thats a small thing. - the noble schism members are actually getting annoying when they start spouting stuff about "nobility and good." i actually agreed with esme when she said whatever the line was: "does every bookish person start saying that when they're scared?" it feels preachy and pretentious. the later books turn the black-and-white sides more gray, so i hope that happens in later episodes. - with LGBTQ "representation". i put that in quotes because mentioning it offhandedly is good, more than most shows have done, but definitely not representation. it feels like they are trying to do that to compensate for the DQ/VB and IQ/KB which definitely does not work and isnt good. its just not enough.
overall, not my favourite episodes. but im excited for THH and TCC!! THH is one of my favorite books of the series so i cant wait to see what they do in the show!
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Apr 3, 2018 19:45:53 GMT -5
Well, the opening does contain a phrase originally coined on this forum, so I don't think it's unlikely that you were at least a consideration in writing that reference. Which phrase are you referring to here? I would check myself, but I'm not in a place I can pull up Netflix and in any case it's unclear whether you mean the opening of the season or just the episode.
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