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Post by Dante on Apr 4, 2018 3:03:45 GMT -5
A document in the opening gives Olaf's age as (I paraphrase here) "prematurely aged by a life of villainy," a description once given by Hermes.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Apr 4, 2018 3:03:50 GMT -5
Well, the opening does contain a phrase originally coined on this forum, so I don't think it's unlikely that you were at least a consideration in writing that reference. Which phrase are you referring to here? I would check myself, but I'm not in a place I can pull up Netflix and in any case it's unclear whether you mean the opening of the season or just the episode. The phrase 'Prematurely aged by a life of villainy', which is used to describe Count Olaf on a document in the intro (sorry, didn't realise the ambivalence ambidextrousity amiguity of the word I was using), seems to come from this thread, where Hermes uses it (also to describe Olaf). Though for all I know you might already know that, if you thought I meant there was something in the episodes themselves.
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Apr 4, 2018 8:29:30 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I did know that about the life of villainy quote; I remember us getting excited last year when it was discovered. I didn't realize you were talking about that in this case; I thought you had meant something an actual character said.
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Post by doetwin on Apr 5, 2018 3:58:22 GMT -5
I'll start with the cons and end with the pros, so that I can end on a positive note:
The Cons:
*In the book, when Klaus asked Violet if she could invent a lock-pick to get them out of their cell, Violet said that she couldn't, as the door locked from the outside. However, in the show, the door to their cell was made of metal bars, big enough to stick one's hand through and reach the lock on the outside. This raises the question as to why Violet didn't at-least consider it. And I don't really know what purpose having the prisons be inside a bar rather than a jail was supposed to serve.
*Jacques telling Olaf that he could become noble sort of made me want to vomit. When you think about everything he's done, the idea of him being redeemable is beyond ludicrous.
The Pros:
*Originally, the Baudelaires refused to board the SSHAMH because the rope ladder was falling apart and they were about to fall to their deaths. The show changed it so that their reasoning for not trying to climb into the hot air balloon was so the Quagmires could escape as quickly as possible. The end result was the same as in the book, but the reasoning for it was far more selfless and heroic on the part of the Baudelaires.
*I always thought that the villagers' decision to put off capturing the Baudelaires, leaving them alone long enough to escape, just to tend to an injured crow was a little too convenient. That's why I think the decision to have Sunny drive herself and her siblings to safety was a spot-on brilliant change.
*The villagers discovering that Detective Dupin was Count Olaf really raises the question as to why the count was still thought to be dead after TVV. Changing it so that the villagers got angry at him for letting the Baudelaires escape instead closed that gaping plothole.
*Given how well the Baudelaires got to know Esme Squalor prior to arriving in V.F.D., it only makes sense that they would recognize her immediately when she introduced herself of Officer Luciana.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 5, 2018 4:54:53 GMT -5
I don't think it's too unbelievable that Hector delivered the last two couplets, especially if he knew the Baudelaires had been showing an interest in them. I also don't think the prison is in the bar either- the bar is the old fire station and there's a separate police building with cells Edit: On the topic of The Vile Village, I really, really like the music that opens the first episode.
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Post by gliquey on Apr 5, 2018 7:02:50 GMT -5
*Jacques telling Olaf that he could become noble sort of made me want to vomit. When you think about everything he's done, the idea of him being redeemable is beyond ludicrous. I disagree. I think this is a logical consequence of the series' message of pacifism, and note that there's evidence in the Netflix show that Olaf is not inherently evil, because he used to be good: [Jacques to Olaf] "When that saloon across town was a firehouse, you and I put some noble deeds on the books."
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Post by Seymour Glass on Apr 7, 2018 1:32:20 GMT -5
Olaf as Dupin is hilarious.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 8, 2018 11:10:49 GMT -5
Rewatching and I can't believe I forgot to say this before -- so happy the huge cloud of dust speech was included!
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Post by beatriceblake on Apr 8, 2018 12:25:40 GMT -5
The adaptation of the books has been reasonably faithful but I was sad about one thing that was left out of TVV on Netflix. I love that moment in the book where the Baudelaires are in jail and briefly turn on each other. It's very well-written. The fact they pull back from blaming each other very quickly and switch focus to solving their problem is why I love these characters.
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Post by Hermes on Apr 17, 2018 15:38:47 GMT -5
Judging by their vocalizations, the VFD crows are American Crows. However, the bird in the saloon utters a call like that of the Common Raven, and we hear similar raven-like noises at the end. So perhaps it's a mixed species flock (i.e. part murder and part conspiracy). Antenora, have you read John Crowley's latest book, by any chance?
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on May 30, 2018 15:59:26 GMT -5
I have to say, I'm struggling with this series. There is so little I enjoy in each episode, and even when it isn't bad, I'd be hard pressed to call it good. I battled through the chore of watching these episodes today, and was pretty dissappointed. I think there are two main problems which I have with the show at this point. The first is the complete lack of focus. I think the books biggest strength is that feeling of a bigger and more dramatic story taking place somewhere else, and the Baudelaires just being out of reach of it. The TV show has tried to show us this story, and I don't have anything against this, but... why is it so boring? I don't care about any of these characters (except for jacques), and if anything they make me yearn for a story that is interesting. They are showing he full story, but I feel that it is taking away from everything. The two vile village episodes were quite short, and the Baudelaires seemed to hardly be in them at all, particularly the first. Perhaps if the show focoused in on the bauds more, it might help with what is the second main problem. Nothing in this show is realistic to me. None of the dialouge is belivable, nobody acts like real people. Sure, the books are guilty of that two, but the show has taken this to the next level, whereas i'd have expected a screen translation to take it down a bit, possibly. And i think I find it difficult to care about salsaty dialouge from unrealistic people who i don't care about. So, basically, I think it's unlikely I'll watch any more of the series at this point, which is a shame, as I really enjoyed the show at the start.It just kind of tailed off for me this season.
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Post by mizbizsav on May 30, 2018 16:17:55 GMT -5
I have to say, I'm struggling with this series. There is so little I enjoy in each episode, and even when it isn't bad, I'd be hard pressed to call it good. I battled through the chore of watching these episodes today, and was pretty dissappointed. I think there are two main problems which I have with the show at this point. The first is the complete lack of focus. I think the books biggest strength is that feeling of a bigger and more dramatic story taking place somewhere else, and the Baudelaires just being out of reach of it. The TV show has tried to show us this story, and I don't have anything against this, but... why is it so boring? I don't care about any of these characters (except for jacques), and if anything they make me yearn for a story that is interesting. They are showing he full story, but I feel that it is taking away from everything. The two vile village episodes were quite short, and the Baudelaires seemed to hardly be in them at all, particularly the first. Perhaps if the show focoused in on the bauds more, it might help with what is the second main problem. Nothing in this show is realistic to me. None of the dialouge is belivable, nobody acts like real people. Sure, the books are guilty of that two, but the show has taken this to the next level, whereas i'd have expected a screen translation to take it down a bit, possibly. And i think I find it difficult to care about salsaty dialouge from unrealistic people who i don't care about. So, basically, I think it's unlikely I'll watch any more of the series at this point, which is a shame, as I really enjoyed the show at the start.It just kind of tailed off for me this season. I agree with what you have said. Not to that harsh extent, but I definitely agree. My main gripe with this season was the lack of focus on the Baudelaires (and even Lemony Snicket at times). Too much time is spent on other characters, Jacquelyn/Larry being the worst offense. And when I don't like how they portray VFD (like... at all), it makes their scenes even more frustrating. But... I will say that The Hostile Hospital episodes are easily my favorites (and even The Carnivorous Carnival has more focus - I love how they develop the Baudelaires' questioning morality)... so if you've made it this far... please watch those if you can. lol
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Post by gliquey on May 31, 2018 1:33:54 GMT -5
So, basically, I think it's unlikely I'll watch any more of the series at this point, which is a shame, as I really enjoyed the show at the start.It just kind of tailed off for me this season. I think your comments are fair, and your reaction is understandable. I would urge you to give at least THH a go, because THH and TCC have been the most well-received episodes of the show so far, I think, and in my opinion they are better than TEE/TVV by an absolute landslide.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on May 31, 2018 2:02:39 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I probably will end up seeing these episodes anyway as anka will watch them.
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Post by colette on Jul 4, 2018 17:23:05 GMT -5
I loved Esme's scences. Olaf and Jacques' too. Lucy Punch looked gorgeous in that uniform and I love how she can't decide which names to use. My minor dissapointment was tiolet humour. One of the reason I am a fan of ASoUE( and prefer it over Harry Potter) is the lack of tiolet humour in it. Handler has always been the symbol of a good sense of humour to me.
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