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Post by colette on Jun 30, 2018 16:14:01 GMT -5
I don't know.
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Post by Foxy on Jul 21, 2018 16:29:35 GMT -5
I am going to have to go with the two white-faced women on this one. The hook-handed man was always threatening to tear the Baudelaires limb from limb with his hooks, the bald man had no redeeming qualities, and the one who looked like neither a man nor a woman was terrifying in both TWW and THH. Hugo, Kevin, and Colette always infuriate me because they started out as "good guys" but decided to join up with Count Olaf. The white-faced women are able to be pitied what with losing a sibling in a fire, and I am failing to remember a time when they directly threatened the Baudelaires.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 23, 2018 4:45:40 GMT -5
I am going to have to go with the two white-faced women on this one. The hook-handed man was always threatening to tear the Baudelaires limb from limb with his hooks, the bald man had no redeeming qualities, and the one who looked like neither a man nor a woman was terrifying in both TWW and THH. Hugo, Kevin, and Colette always infuriate me because they started out as "good guys" but decided to join up with Count Olaf. The white-faced women are able to be pitied what with losing a sibling in a fire, and I am failing to remember a time when they directly threatened the Baudelaires. I agree. I personally think Fernald is the obvious choice, since he's the one that gets the most development as a character, and out of everyone in the series, he's the one who most explicitly discusses grey morality, and I assume that's why he's currently ahead in the polls. But the WFW are the only ones who walk out on Olaf on their own accord in protest of his villainy. By comparison, they are definitely more sympathetic than Fernald, who is basically guilted into defecting by his sister (and who has a short relapse after that, dragging her into it as well). From what little backstory we get, the WFW also seem to have joined Olaf mostly out of desperation. Fernald, by comparison, is mainly motivated by his irritation with Captain Widdershins, which is a really poor reason to start henching for a murderer, arsonist and likely jaywalker. I was reading the Lemony Snicket Wiki page about Fernald while writing this post, and came across this: No further information is then given. |
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Post by Dante on Jul 23, 2018 7:16:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't use the Snicket wiki as a source for anything.
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Post by R. on Jan 4, 2021 3:17:53 GMT -5
I’ll go with Fernald. He had good reasons to be on that side of the schism, but despite that valued his morals and eventually genuinely tried to help the Baudelaires.
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Post by tricky on Jan 4, 2021 7:09:36 GMT -5
I think the television adaptation is certainly more forgiving to Fernald, but the WFW are more sympathetic - especially towards the BLs in general in the books.
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Post by R. on Jan 20, 2021 16:18:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't use the Snicket wiki as a source for anything. Yeah, it has some weird stuff. I tried to read the page on Esmé Squalor, but got really weirded out. |
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Post by counto on Jan 26, 2021 3:57:05 GMT -5
I kind of liked the Netflix fate of Olaf's henchmen than the canonical book series fate.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2021 11:24:25 GMT -5
I felt happier with that ending ... which is a strange feeling when thinking about ASOUE.
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Post by Hermes on Jan 26, 2021 12:02:26 GMT -5
Yes, but it gives the freaks a worse fate to compensate.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2021 13:15:18 GMT -5
I thought that was unnecessary ... For me it did not match the motivations that I imagine the sinister couple has.
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Post by Dante on Jan 26, 2021 15:37:26 GMT -5
Right up until the very end of that episode, I expected the freaks' apparent deaths to be revealed as a fakeout. It was a very odd decision.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2021 17:10:13 GMT -5
I understand the script's decision a little ... By avoiding the deaths of the original members of Olaf's troupe from THH, the consequence was an excess of characters ... But still, the troupe would abandon Olaf in TSS. I think it would be interesting that they survived that false death to come back as surprise characters in THH. But they would need more screen time to really be surprise characters (albeit in disguise).
This turned the sinister duo into true serial killers ...
I saw them more as "people who believe that to achieve peace it is necessary to kill other people from time to time, and also to keep their fortunes in order to be able to make more investment in achieving more peace."
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Post by R. on Jan 27, 2021 1:13:36 GMT -5
That kind of sums up my perspective on Esmé Squalor.
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