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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 3, 2019 18:33:55 GMT -5
In the Unauthorized Autobiography, I only see his sister Kit say that she's trying to clear Lemony's name. I think Book 11 mentions Jacques trying to blame Olaf for arson in the Royal Gardens, to help Lemony. But...why are his siblings the only ones doing anything?
Since VFD is filled with extremely rich people, couldn't someone have help Lemony get an awesome lawyer or helped Lemony to investigate Olaf more? Why didn't the Baudelaire parents help Lemony? It's implied in the Beatrice Letters that they found out that Lemony was alive, due to his telegram.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 3, 2019 23:31:48 GMT -5
For starters, do you realize what it means to be accused of fire in an organization where many members are no longer fighting fires and setting things on fire? Especially someone like Lemony, who has shown signs of being violent since adolescence. Even you think he's guilty of the Baudelaire Mansion fire! How much more the other VFD members who have just passed a Schism, and realized that there were many traitors!
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2019 10:35:30 GMT -5
Because many of them actually believed the allegations against him. It's more than likely that the very reason Beatrice left Lemony and eventually married Bertrand was because she believed the allegations against him.
With that said, it's also worth noting that we know absolutely nothing about the case against Lemony. It may well have been an extremely strong one, with belief in Lemony's innocence more or less a matter of faith. As Jean Lucio points out, ATWQ perhaps puts this in some perspective - though I am reluctant to go further than that, since I recall you mentioning, lsandthebooks, that you've only read as far as ?1 and not the rest of the series?
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 4, 2019 11:14:52 GMT -5
Because many of them actually believed the allegations against him. It's more than likely that the very reason Beatrice left Lemony and eventually married Bertrand was because she believed the allegations against him. With that said, it's also worth noting that we know absolutely nothing about the case against Lemony. It may well have been an extremely strong one, with belief in Lemony's innocence more or less a matter of faith. As Jean Lucio points out, ATWQ perhaps puts this in some perspective - though I am reluctant to go further than that, since I recall you mentioning, lsandthebooks, that you've only read as far as ?1 and not the rest of the series? I've read the entire ATWQ and ASOUE series. I actually talk about Lemony committing murder (from ATWQ Book 4) in multiple posts. So...how is Lemony's murder worse than Beatrice and Bertrand killing Olaf's parents? I don't see how the Baudelaires could judge Lemony.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 4, 2019 11:27:09 GMT -5
I think after they killed so many people in Hotel D, they must have matured enough to understand the moral concepts surrounding life and death. They must have realized that being noble does not mean never resorting to violence, but resorting to it when the death of some means life to a greater number of people. I do not agree with this concept. I would be on the noble side of VFD in Schism, and would probably be an easy target to kill. But I would die with a clear conscience.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 4, 2019 11:47:14 GMT -5
I think the other members of V.F.D. believed Lemony was guilty.
But at the same time, that's hard to believe. They were all friends, right? But does that mean the people in Lemony's class were also friends with Olaf? I know Olaf is obviously untrustworthy to us, but maybe he had friends at school, and maybe as they grew up, they were still friends with him. Maybe they didn't think he was the fire starter.
But that seems kind of difficult to believe to me.
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Post by Dante on Sept 4, 2019 16:42:29 GMT -5
I've read the entire ATWQ and ASOUE series. My apologies; I was thinking of tonyvfd. I hope you're not reading this thread, tony!
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