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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 12, 2019 20:13:07 GMT -5
In almost every dedication in the series, Lemony sounds so guilty. He keeps saying that his love caused Beatrice to die. What does he mean?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 13, 2019 5:29:44 GMT -5
The only time I felt Lemony felt a little guilty was when he wondered whether or not he should have helped steal the sugar bowl or something.
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Post by Dante on Sept 13, 2019 14:06:07 GMT -5
Well, in the light of ATWQ, we can suggest that perhaps Lemony felt himself to be cursed, in a fashion; tainted by bad luck, or by the Mark of Cain or the like, and destined to bring death and ruin - and so he blames himself in a not necessarily literal and logical manner. But we also know that he particularly regrets stealing the sugar bowl from Esmé, or at least having helped to do so; so we can infer that he feels responsible for Esmé's misplaced hatred towards Beatrice, which presumably therefore played a role in Beatrice's death.
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 13, 2019 19:23:07 GMT -5
Well, in the light of ATWQ, we can suggest that perhaps Lemony felt himself to be cursed, in a fashion; tainted by bad luck, or by the Mark of Cain or the like, and destined to bring death and ruin - and so he blames himself in a not necessarily literal and logical manner. But we also know that he particularly regrets stealing the sugar bowl from Esmé, or at least having helped to do so; so we can infer that he feels responsible for Esmé's misplaced hatred towards Beatrice, which presumably therefore played a role in Beatrice's death. I still wonder if Lemony is guilty in some way. What if some accusations against him are true? To be on the run for so long and to always hide his face in the books...it makes him seem guilty of something.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 13, 2019 23:01:49 GMT -5
We know he helped Beatrice commit a crime before her death. The question has always been, "When did Beatrice really die?"
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Post by Foxy on Sept 17, 2019 12:23:12 GMT -5
I think it all connects to the Beatrice Letters. I think when Snicket contacted Beatrice with his telegram, he somehow put her in danger by giving her location away to their enemies. When she was back in the spotlight, she was killed. That is why Lemony feels guilty.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 17, 2019 13:22:55 GMT -5
It's true, Foxy. Also, according to Jacques Snicket, it was Lemony's bad criticism that triggered much violence from Olaf.
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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 17, 2019 13:38:32 GMT -5
I think it all connects to the Beatrice Letters. I think when Snicket contacted Beatrice with his telegram, he somehow put her in danger by giving her location away to their enemies. When she was back in the spotlight, she was killed. That is why Lemony feels guilty. But the telegram was sent before Violet was born...why would their enemies wait until 14 years later to attack them?
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Post by Foxy on Sept 18, 2019 6:46:27 GMT -5
I think it all connects to the Beatrice Letters. I think when Snicket contacted Beatrice with his telegram, he somehow put her in danger by giving her location away to their enemies. When she was back in the spotlight, she was killed. That is why Lemony feels guilty. But the telegram was sent before Violet was born...why would their enemies wait until 14 years later to attack them? That's a fair point, and I thought about it. The parents, before Violet was born, I think were trying to distance themselves from V.F.D., like when they were staying on the island. (Of course, they were also trying to build a tunnel back to the world, so this next part is somewhat questionable.) So maybe they were trying to stay out of V.F.D., but the telegram brought them back in after they returned to the world from the island, and Lemony ultimately feels responsible because it all traces back to his telegram. But I always find that kind of rationale ridiculous. There are always a series of events that lead you to where you are now, so you could blame a lot of people on the way if you really wanted to, like whoever recruited Beatrice to begin with. It's never just one person's "fault."
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 18, 2019 8:06:59 GMT -5
In the end, it is Adam and Eve's fault.
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