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Post by Dante on Sept 15, 2019 3:10:12 GMT -5
Olaf doesn't even construct his plan to steal the fortune until some time after the Baudelaires have arrived in his house. It's reasonably obvious that he didn't anticipate the children entering his care, and therefore their existence played no role in any arson attack he may or may not have committed against the Baudelaire family. There is a question as to why the fire, if it was a deliberate act (as hinted in the BBRE, and contemplated by any sufficiently creative mind), occurred at the point in time it did; but there is no evidence with which to answer that question.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 15, 2019 19:14:14 GMT -5
I support the hypothesis that the fire was premeditated and caused by Beatrice. Unfortunately it is impossible to prove, and all the evidence I have provided so far is circumstantial.But in any case, what Dante wrote is circumstantial evidence that Olaf did not cause the Baudelaire Mansion to burn down.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 15, 2019 20:16:47 GMT -5
I will defend Dante. What he said was that Olaf did not plan to steal the fortune. Olaf thought he had immediate access to fortune by now, and Mr. Poe had to explain that it would be necessary to wait until he was eighteen.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 16, 2019 4:18:35 GMT -5
Understand, please ... There was no way Olaf could know that he would be the Baudelaire's guardian after the death of their parents. It is unlikely that an Arsonist such as Olaf would think that there would be survivors of the fire, that the survivors would be exactly the children, and that after the survival of the children, Olaf would become the guardian of the children. It is more likely that Olaf was simply pleased with the death of the Baudelaires' parents, and because he had never researched it, he innocently thought he would have access to the inheritance without having to steal the inheritance.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 16, 2019 10:08:53 GMT -5
Acclaim OLAF to cause fire from the Baudelaire mansion would put it in a piscicologic incongruity. This is one of the motifs of I do not believe he is the blame for the fire. I also do not believe that ESME has caused the fire, for it is a long-standing support of the OLAF. They must make plans together, most of the time before them separate in TPP.
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Post by thedoctororwell on Sept 16, 2019 15:47:08 GMT -5
I have posted theories which address the timing of the Baudelaire fire: snicketsleuth.tumblr.com/post/170810857340/who-burned-down-the-baudelaire-mansionsnicketsleuth.tumblr.com/post/140110102380/how-did-vfd-manipulate-justice-strauss-intoIn these theories, I posit that the Baudelaire parents were not targetted by Olaf and his allies because they were their only hope of finding the sugar bowl (Beatrice was the last known owner). Olaf was forced to watch them from afar in the hope of learning where they had hidden the sugar bowl. Capturing Beatrice and Bertrand would not have helped as they had probably anticipated this scenario. As to why Olaf ended up changing his mind, I think the timing of the arson at the Royal Gardens is to blame. Olaf failed at burning them down, which gave Jacques Snicket an opportunity to inculpate him and prove Lemony's innocence. But this opportunity caused a chain of events which eventually led to the Baudelaire fire. |
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Post by Foxy on Sept 17, 2019 13:03:23 GMT -5
Olaf doesn't even construct his plan to steal the fortune until some time after the Baudelaires have arrived in his house. It's reasonably obvious that he didn't anticipate the children entering his care, and therefore their existence played no role in any arson attack he may or may not have committed against the Baudelaire family. There is a question as to why the fire, if it was a deliberate act (as hinted in the BBRE, and contemplated by any sufficiently creative mind), occurred at the point in time it did; but there is no evidence with which to answer that question. This seems off to me. How did Olaf not have a plan to steal the fortune right away? Did he not even know he wanted to steal the fortune until the middle of the book? As to why Olaf ended up changing his mind, I think the timing of the arson at the Royal Gardens is to blame. Olaf failed at burning them down, which gave Jacques Snicket an opportunity to inculpate him and prove Lemony's innocence. But this opportunity caused a chain of events which eventually led to the Baudelaire fire. I thought the Royal Gardens were destroyed? There was an enormous pile of dirt where the Royal Gardens once stood. |
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Post by Dante on Sept 18, 2019 6:56:43 GMT -5
Olaf doesn't even construct his plan to steal the fortune until some time after the Baudelaires have arrived in his house. It's reasonably obvious that he didn't anticipate the children entering his care, and therefore their existence played no role in any arson attack he may or may not have committed against the Baudelaire family. There is a question as to why the fire, if it was a deliberate act (as hinted in the BBRE, and contemplated by any sufficiently creative mind), occurred at the point in time it did; but there is no evidence with which to answer that question. This seems off to me. How did Olaf not have a plan to steal the fortune right away? Did he not even know he wanted to steal the fortune until the middle of the book? I would suggest that perhaps this is the difference between an intention and a definite, detailed plan. I'm sure that from the moment Olaf learned that the Baudelaire children would be placed in his care, he intended to steal their fortune; but determining how he could do that would have taken some work. |
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