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Post by lsandthebooks on Sept 17, 2019 19:16:37 GMT -5
It's strange there's no trace of their bodies. This series has multiple dead bodies in it, but the Baudelaire parents' bodies aren't talked about at all.
Is it possible that they were killed, and then the villians set their mansion on fire to hide the evidence of murder?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 18, 2019 5:26:18 GMT -5
Not to mention the bodies, from my point of view, was not a simple omission of Lemony. For me this is part of the mystery on purpose ... At least Daniel Handler inserted this as part of the mystery on LSTUA, when he shows the places where Beatrice and Bertrand's bodies are not buried. This seems to indicate that Daniel Handler did not plan the scenario in which the bodies were in fact completely consumed. Considering this, we can think of the following scenarios: both survived and for some very strong reason did not save their children from their misfortunes, or both died and their bodies were removed from the site for some reason, or one of them survived and the other died, which It's the scenario where I bet all my chips. Removing the bodies or the body clearly should imply that the bodies were completely destroyed by the fire. In this scenario, the only person who would be interested in giving this impression was the fire survivor himself. By feigning death itself, it was necessary to make the body of the spouse disappear so that everyone would think that the temperature of the fire was so high that it destroyed the bodies. In this case, it is possible that one spouse killed the other, hid the body and then set fire to the house.
The reason I believe it at the moment is because I believe the poem My Silence Knot contains evidence that Beatrice's married life was just a theatrical play for her. In addition, she stated that when the cloth fell off, that is when the play was over, the dying would break the silence. In the letter Beatrice sent to Lemony of 200 pages, she drew attention to this poem. That is, in a letter that where she explained the reasons for not marrying Lemony, she wondered if Lemony would continue to love her forever, and if Lemony remembered the text of the poem My Silence Knot and if he had understood the message of poetry. . To me, this is evidence of early planning, meaning Beatrice planned one day to fake her own death and then stay with Lemony.
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Post by Dante on Sept 18, 2019 6:59:56 GMT -5
I think it's more simply the case that this is an issue Daniel Handler didn't want to address. He didn't want to have to march the Baudelaire children through a funeral in TBB, he wanted to get them to Olaf's house as soon as possible; later, he could leverage his original ambiguity to suggest the possibility of one of the parents having survived.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 18, 2019 8:03:06 GMT -5
Yes. I agree with you, Dante. It is quite difficult to theorize with ASOUE precisely because of this. I believe he was coming up with new ideas as he wrote, and I know you believe that too. The question is, "What was Daniel Handler thinking when he started writing" or "What was he thinking when he finished writing". I think Daniel Handler left accidental loopholes in the early books. He then reread all the books and took advantage of these loopholes to create new premises. I would say that throughout the writing of books, Daniel Handler's fictional universe has changed many times. But I believe he did a good job of making it cohesive in the end. And that's why I tried to find out what Daniel Handler was thinking when book 13 finished, what his fictional universe looked like.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 19, 2019 12:08:45 GMT -5
It is kind of strange that there was no funeral or memorial service. Even if the bodies had been completely consumed, there would still be some kind of service to remember their parents, and there would be pictures of them.
I think if they had really found no bodies, that would have been a huge news story because it would have meant they escaped the fire. And TDP isn't known for keeping secrets.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 19, 2019 15:13:16 GMT -5
Quigley's body was not found and nothing indicates that TDP reported anything about the lack of Quigley's body.
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Post by Dante on Sept 22, 2019 4:23:12 GMT -5
It seems to be standard practice in the Averse that, if a building burns down and any of the known occupants are unaccounted for, they're considered dead.
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