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Post by Foxy on Sept 18, 2019 6:59:27 GMT -5
So your line of thinking is the villains wanted to burn all the homes down, but Esme, who was in on the plan, did not then want all the orphans foisted upon her, likely because of her kind-hearted husband, who would have wanted to care for all the children of his dead friends. Maybe Jerome was friends with the Quagmires, too, although the book doesn't really indicate this. So in order to perform treacherous deeds but not take responsibility for her actions, Esme made orphans "out" so she would not have to care for them?
Maybe.
But Olaf still ended up with the orphans... and if he didn't have a plan to steal their fortune immediately, like in a topic I read yesterday, why would he want the orphans in his care? They would just be a pesky nuisance to him otherwise.
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Post by Dante on Sept 18, 2019 7:02:20 GMT -5
It doesn't seem as if Esmé has any influence over what is in or out at any one time.
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Post by Dante on Sept 19, 2019 3:32:11 GMT -5
There is no indication in the books that The Daily Punctilio determines what is in or out. Actually, in the books there's very little indication of what determines what is in or out at all, but that only makes sense, as fashion and trends are a collective matter. Regardless, I think you're missing the point that Esmé is very much a slave to fashion, rather than its master. Consider TEE page 33, where Esmé is sent scurrying desperately around her home because a simple phone call told her that dark was out.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 19, 2019 7:30:26 GMT -5
It doesn't seem as if Esmé has any influence over what is in or out at any one time. The books also say that the Daily Punctilio will believe anyone who randomly calls them. But Olaf openly admits it in Book 7: I think Olaf was referring to the fact that Detective D would be interviewed by the DP. During the interview, he would ensure that the information told to the interviewer was as he wished. |
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Post by Foxy on Sept 19, 2019 12:05:23 GMT -5
It kind of seems like the King of Arizona decides what is in and what is out... so who is that guy?
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Post by Hermes on Sept 20, 2019 9:04:23 GMT -5
Whenever I see this headline I think it is about being gay - in which case, Isadora is the only orphan who could possibly be gay (and there's perhaps a slight hint that she is): the others (except Sunny, of course) have all manifested an interest in the opposite sex.
But to the actual question: orphans must have been out before the Baudelaire fire, because otherwise J and E would have adopted the kids then. (Remember, there's no 'closest relation' thing in the books: J and E live in the City and so are convenient, as the will requires.) Whether this also applies to the Quagmire fire depends on when you think it happened.
As for the King of Arizona, I don't suppose he decides all by himself: he is just one of the trendsetters. And as for who he is, well, I guess he is himself. Arizona just happens to be a kingdom in this world.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 21, 2019 5:52:57 GMT -5
Is Brazil a kingdom too? I'm glad South America wasn't forgotten by Daniel Handler, at least the Prospero Ship passes by here. I suspect that besides Peru, Prospero passes through Guyana.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 21, 2019 12:28:07 GMT -5
Quite possibly, or else an Empire. Brazil actually had an emperor for quite a long time in our world; so, for two short periods, did Mexico. I don't believe Peru ever had an emperor in the real world, but for some reason the phrase 'the emperor of Peru' occurs several times in literature (e.g. 'The Emperor's Rhyme' by A.A. Milne).
Why Guyana though? Wouldn't it be rather hard to get to Guyana from Peru?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 22, 2019 13:16:40 GMT -5
Hermes, good to know you know the history of my country! About Guyana, this conclusion is based on R's letter to Lemony in LSTUA. In the letter's contents, there is evidence that R used secret codes based on books. All the books that are quoted in the letter are among those cited in chapter 10 of the UA: Charlotte's Web, Green Mansions, Ivan Lachrymose: Lake Explorer. The text in The Web of Charlote shows that some Arsonist was nearby in disguise. Ivan's biography was written to keep secret documents. However, Green Maisons is also quoted.
Well, according to R's letter, Lemony had spent some hidden and presumably dead time. Lemony had been captured at the ball, and then fled abroad on the Prospero ship. I believe the secret message in Green Maisons is talking about it.
, I am in the process of understanding the secret code hidden in Green Mansions. I have not yet reached a final conclusion, but I know that this is one of the books cited in Chapter 10 of the AU. At the moment, I think the way to decode this code is similar to the Verse Fluctuation Declaration. The difference is that the coded words are omitted. In chapter 10 of the UA, there is an excerpt with some words omitted from Green Mansions.
It is written thus:
"It is a cause of great regret to me that this task has taken so much longer to time than I had expected for its completion ... A darkened chamber, the existence of which had never been suspected in that familiar house ... the only thing that would have to do with it would be that it would have to be the same as that of the serpent. untold chapter in a man's life for imagination to work on. "
To find out what was written in the gaps, I went to the original work. There I found the following text in the first gap:
"It is now many months-over a year, in fact-since I wrote to Georgetown announcing my intention of publishing, IN A VERY FEW MONTHS, the whole truth about Mr. Abel. , and I had hoped that the discussion in the newspapers would have ceased, at all events, until the appearance of the promised book.It was not so at this distance from Guiana I was not aware of how much conjectural matter was being printed week by week in the local press, some of which must have been painful reading to Mr. Abel's friends "
I found this passage so significant! If you replaced the name Mr Abel by Mr Snicket, that whole section would make sense in the subject of the letter.
Georgetown is the capital of Guyana. See Lemony was hiding in Guyana, that means R was saying he wrote to him.
R said he would like to publish the whole truth about Mr. Abel.
I believe Mr Abel represents Lemony. Both had a forbidden love. Mr Abel was a fugitive for a long time. Mr Abel felt guilty. The woman they both loved ended up dead, and eventually both wanted to die.
In both stories the local press published lies about what happened to them.And according to the passage, the arrival of a book could cause some change in the situation. In this case, R saw the arrival of the Book 4 manuscript after many years without Lemony publishing, as Lemony was presumably dead.
Another detail, the woman Me Abel was in love with, communicated with birds, while Beatrice somehow also communicated with flying animals, but in Beatrice's case they were bats.
Edit: In fact, Beatrice also communicated with birds, that is, pigeons.
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