Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Sept 19, 2019 14:24:57 GMT -5
asoue.proboards.com/thread/35927/great-unknown-theory-partly-wrong
asoue.proboards.com/thread/35930/great-unknown-theory-small-evidence
asoue.proboards.com/thread/35966/great-unknown-theory-2
I’m very happy that snicketsleuth dedicated his latest theory to me, so I dedicate this theory to snicketsleuth, Dante, Foxy, Isandthebooks and Mister M.
Well, while I was arguing with the members of Dark Avenue 667 Answering the Wrong Questions about what was the question mark entity that made its last appearance on TE, we came to a halt. I argued that the word “swallow” used by Kit was exclusive to animals. I also said that Kit stated that the entity emerged from the water. If Kit knows that the entity came out of the water, it is because she was looking at the entity and saw the thing coming out of the water, so she could have associated the entity with an animal, so she used the word “swallow” to refer to the entity. Foxy has given me biblical proof that this is not true. (Seriously, she showed me a biblical text in which the word swallow is used figuratively. I'm not crazy to go against biblical arguments...) Dante posted the following:
The word “swallow” is frequently used figuratively, but in this case I think we should examine the original english text:
“From the depths of the sea to a mysterious figure approached - almost like a question mark, rising out of the water.”
[…]
“everyone else wanted to take their changes with the great unknown. I begged the others to climb aboard the question mark approached, but only Ink managed to reach me. The others …” […] “In an instant they were gone - either swallowed up or terminated by that mysterious thing. ”
(The End, pp. 303-305)
Although the phrase “rising out of the water” is used, Kit otherwise consistently uses vague terms to describe the (uncapitalised, take note!) Great unknown; it’s a mysterious figure, a question mark, a thing - but never a submarine or a sea monster, as you might expect. To me, there are three possible conclusions you can possibly draw from this: One is that “rising out of the water” should not be taken literally; the second is that Kit is deliberately trying to avoid revealing the great unknown’s secret; The third is that Kit never got a good look.
At first I agreed with Dante, and chose the alternative that Kit was deliberately hiding information.
But Mister M with one word put me to think about it better. He said "no".
I changed my mind. My current idea explains a lot about Kit’s behavior.
Kit doesn’t seem to be hiding information … Not even about the sugar bowl. In fact, she was one of the people who talked most about the Baudelaire sugar bowl. She just didn’t say it anymore because the Baudelaires didn’t directly ask what the hell was inside the sugar bowl. Likewise, she seems to be completely honest and openly speaking on the island. If she says she doesn’t know if the Baudelaires were swallowed or rescued by that thing, it’s because she really doesn’t.
And as Dante explained very well, she used words to refer to the TGU that could apply to both a submarine and an animal. So I’ll have to choose another option that Dante listed … Not really. I will create one more option.
I came up with a theory that states that there is a submarine that appears in a passive sonar as a question mark, and that there is also a question mark-shaped animal in the Averse oceans. (”Averse” is what Dante called the Lemony Snicket’s universe .)
In the text of the theory I stated that not necessarily the submarine would have the shape of a question mark, because the sonar shows a two-dimensional projection of three-dimensional things. Very well … “Not necessarily” is an iterating expression. It means in practice that I had no idea what the submarine’s true shape was, and that it might or might not have the shape of a giant question mark.
So my conclusion is: The question mark-shaped submarine in passive sonar looks very similar to that of a giant question mark-shaped animal. In fact, in my theory I even said that the organization that created the giant octopus-shaped submarine probably created submarines in the shape of real sea monsters.
If it were the octopus-shaped submarine that some of the tentacles emerged from the water, it would probably be hard to see if that thing was a submarine or a giant animal. But to be in doubt between the two options, it is because you know in advance that there are gigantic animals of that shape and that there are purposely created submarines in those shapes. In this case, Kit really should have the information that there was a sea serpent-shaped submarine, and that there was a sea serpent in the oceans. Even seeing the thing emerging from the body of water, she still didn’t know if it was the animal or the submarine. Since the question mark-shaped submarine has no tentacles or arms, the mechanism for capturing other vessels and other submarines should be imitation of the animal’s mouth. It would actually be a large hatch, capable of “swallowing” everyone who was trying to save themselves very quickly.
That explains the reason for Kit’s doubt. But still, I believe the last appearance was of the animal. Especially since one of the Quaquimire said the name “Violet” before being dragged into the beast’s mouth. Because of my sugar bowl theory, I believe the animal was controllable by anyone who had the whistle inside the sugar bowl.Also, apparently Lemony knew that the Quaquimires were inside a humid place during some of the events recorded on TE. If Lemony knew where they were, it’s because they left there alive to tell the story.
Captain W's behavior in TGG seems to show that the submarine was something to be truly feared, and even Olaf seems to be afraid of that submarine. Olaf was sure that the entity pursuing him was a submarine. This seems to be consistent with what Captain W said about one of the entities. He said it was worse than Olaf. So Captain W clearly believed that the entity that appeared in TE was not the submarine. He believed it was the animal. The submarine was mortal while the animal was benign. It was the animal maintained eye contact with Captain W's submarine at the end of TGG. Apparently at the end of TGG, the animal has decided to ignore the Q sub, even though it is very close.
asoue.proboards.com/thread/35930/great-unknown-theory-small-evidence
asoue.proboards.com/thread/35966/great-unknown-theory-2
I’m very happy that snicketsleuth dedicated his latest theory to me, so I dedicate this theory to snicketsleuth, Dante, Foxy, Isandthebooks and Mister M.
Well, while I was arguing with the members of Dark Avenue 667 Answering the Wrong Questions about what was the question mark entity that made its last appearance on TE, we came to a halt. I argued that the word “swallow” used by Kit was exclusive to animals. I also said that Kit stated that the entity emerged from the water. If Kit knows that the entity came out of the water, it is because she was looking at the entity and saw the thing coming out of the water, so she could have associated the entity with an animal, so she used the word “swallow” to refer to the entity. Foxy has given me biblical proof that this is not true. (Seriously, she showed me a biblical text in which the word swallow is used figuratively. I'm not crazy to go against biblical arguments...) Dante posted the following:
The word “swallow” is frequently used figuratively, but in this case I think we should examine the original english text:
“From the depths of the sea to a mysterious figure approached - almost like a question mark, rising out of the water.”
[…]
“everyone else wanted to take their changes with the great unknown. I begged the others to climb aboard the question mark approached, but only Ink managed to reach me. The others …” […] “In an instant they were gone - either swallowed up or terminated by that mysterious thing. ”
(The End, pp. 303-305)
Although the phrase “rising out of the water” is used, Kit otherwise consistently uses vague terms to describe the (uncapitalised, take note!) Great unknown; it’s a mysterious figure, a question mark, a thing - but never a submarine or a sea monster, as you might expect. To me, there are three possible conclusions you can possibly draw from this: One is that “rising out of the water” should not be taken literally; the second is that Kit is deliberately trying to avoid revealing the great unknown’s secret; The third is that Kit never got a good look.
At first I agreed with Dante, and chose the alternative that Kit was deliberately hiding information.
But Mister M with one word put me to think about it better. He said "no".
I changed my mind. My current idea explains a lot about Kit’s behavior.
Kit doesn’t seem to be hiding information … Not even about the sugar bowl. In fact, she was one of the people who talked most about the Baudelaire sugar bowl. She just didn’t say it anymore because the Baudelaires didn’t directly ask what the hell was inside the sugar bowl. Likewise, she seems to be completely honest and openly speaking on the island. If she says she doesn’t know if the Baudelaires were swallowed or rescued by that thing, it’s because she really doesn’t.
And as Dante explained very well, she used words to refer to the TGU that could apply to both a submarine and an animal. So I’ll have to choose another option that Dante listed … Not really. I will create one more option.
I came up with a theory that states that there is a submarine that appears in a passive sonar as a question mark, and that there is also a question mark-shaped animal in the Averse oceans. (”Averse” is what Dante called the Lemony Snicket’s universe .)
In the text of the theory I stated that not necessarily the submarine would have the shape of a question mark, because the sonar shows a two-dimensional projection of three-dimensional things. Very well … “Not necessarily” is an iterating expression. It means in practice that I had no idea what the submarine’s true shape was, and that it might or might not have the shape of a giant question mark.
So my conclusion is: The question mark-shaped submarine in passive sonar looks very similar to that of a giant question mark-shaped animal. In fact, in my theory I even said that the organization that created the giant octopus-shaped submarine probably created submarines in the shape of real sea monsters.
If it were the octopus-shaped submarine that some of the tentacles emerged from the water, it would probably be hard to see if that thing was a submarine or a giant animal. But to be in doubt between the two options, it is because you know in advance that there are gigantic animals of that shape and that there are purposely created submarines in those shapes. In this case, Kit really should have the information that there was a sea serpent-shaped submarine, and that there was a sea serpent in the oceans. Even seeing the thing emerging from the body of water, she still didn’t know if it was the animal or the submarine. Since the question mark-shaped submarine has no tentacles or arms, the mechanism for capturing other vessels and other submarines should be imitation of the animal’s mouth. It would actually be a large hatch, capable of “swallowing” everyone who was trying to save themselves very quickly.
That explains the reason for Kit’s doubt. But still, I believe the last appearance was of the animal. Especially since one of the Quaquimire said the name “Violet” before being dragged into the beast’s mouth. Because of my sugar bowl theory, I believe the animal was controllable by anyone who had the whistle inside the sugar bowl.Also, apparently Lemony knew that the Quaquimires were inside a humid place during some of the events recorded on TE. If Lemony knew where they were, it’s because they left there alive to tell the story.
Captain W's behavior in TGG seems to show that the submarine was something to be truly feared, and even Olaf seems to be afraid of that submarine. Olaf was sure that the entity pursuing him was a submarine. This seems to be consistent with what Captain W said about one of the entities. He said it was worse than Olaf. So Captain W clearly believed that the entity that appeared in TE was not the submarine. He believed it was the animal. The submarine was mortal while the animal was benign. It was the animal maintained eye contact with Captain W's submarine at the end of TGG. Apparently at the end of TGG, the animal has decided to ignore the Q sub, even though it is very close.
