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Post by R. on Aug 30, 2020 3:02:07 GMT -5
I personally believe that they were rescued by the eagles, sent by the WWHBNB. What do you think?
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 30, 2020 12:04:15 GMT -5
I have canonical reasons to believe that they survived. In LSTUA, after the publication of TBB, Miss K (who was not Kit,) was in Prufrock Prep carrying a book by ASOUE. ASOUE was published a few years after the main events recorded in them. Carmelita was there. So she was alive a few years after the fire. And similarly, Esme had a fan club after TRR was published in the asoue universe. Unless it's a dead person's fan club, Esme was still alive (and probably acting in the artistic world).
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Post by Dante on Aug 30, 2020 12:30:05 GMT -5
The clear intent of the conclusion of TPP is that there should be no firm canonical answer on anyone's fate, and that we can only decide for ourselves based on our subjective wishes, not based on any technicality in the books. So I personally don't want to know.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 30, 2020 12:44:58 GMT -5
The clear intent of the conclusion of TPP is that there should be no firm canonical answer on anyone's fate, and that we can only decide for ourselves based on our subjective wishes, not based on any technicality in the books. So I personally don't want to know. I never sympathized with that. If Daniel Handler had new ideas, it's his problem and not mine. If he wanted to leave real doubts in our minds and an open end indeed, he should have thought of this before. And if he couldn't go back on what he had already written, he should have accepted that. The fact is, he wrote this in LSTUA. If he decided to kill Kit after he already played an important role for her, it's his problem. Canonically miss K is not Kit. There comes a time when the work surpasses the author's intentions and takes on a life of its own. |
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Aug 30, 2020 13:46:07 GMT -5
I have canonical reasons to believe that they survived. In LSTUA, after the publication of TBB, Miss K (who was not Kit,) was in Prufrock Prep carrying a book by ASOUE. ASOUE was published a few years after the main events recorded in them. Carmelita was there. So she was alive a few years after the fire. And similarly, Esme had a fan club after TRR was published in the asoue universe. Unless it's a dead person's fan club, Esme was still alive (and probably acting in the artistic world). It still seems extremely dubious to make any firm statements based on any particular idea of when ASoUE was published in-universe. There is persuasive evidence that some of the books were published prior to, at the very least, Olaf's death. |
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 30, 2020 13:51:07 GMT -5
I have canonical reasons to believe that they survived. In LSTUA, after the publication of TBB, Miss K (who was not Kit,) was in Prufrock Prep carrying a book by ASOUE. ASOUE was published a few years after the main events recorded in them. Carmelita was there. So she was alive a few years after the fire. And similarly, Esme had a fan club after TRR was published in the asoue universe. Unless it's a dead person's fan club, Esme was still alive (and probably acting in the artistic world). It still seems extremely dubious to make any firm statements based on any particular idea of when ASoUE was published in-universe. There is persuasive evidence that some of the books were published prior to, at the very least, Olaf's death. I cannot agree with that. Note, in TRR Lemony says that years have passed between the publication of TRR and the main recorded events. In TAA we are told that Prufrock Prep was already empty for years. In TBBRE it is evident that when Lemony was researching the events for the original TBB publication, the events described in them had already happened some time ago. |
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Post by R. on Aug 31, 2020 8:26:33 GMT -5
Why isn’t anyone else voting? I want to know what everyone thinks about this puzzle.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 31, 2020 10:26:07 GMT -5
Why isn’t anyone else voting? I want to know what everyone thinks about this puzzle. I think you restarted a fire without realizing it. Your question subtly raises unaccounted questions among us, ranging from the way we understand the series' chronology, through the author's intentions, approaching possible unintended contradictions and intentional red herring, almost collapsing house of cards that took time years to be built, pits Dr. Watson against Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You are indeed an arsonist. I already gave my opinion and already voted. But for some, simply voting for something like that is a mistake. It's like asking, "For you, did the Baudelaires survive the island or not?" I will answer yes, and give you my reasons. The people here are nice. But where I came from, I almost went to the fire because of it. They will say something like "that is the wrong question!" |
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Aug 31, 2020 10:35:43 GMT -5
Well, I've now voted
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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Sept 6, 2020 15:08:32 GMT -5
I think they both had a horrible death surrounded by the flames. I think Carmelita died because of the copious amount of smoke she inhaled, and Esmé burned to death.
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Post by Hermes on Sept 8, 2020 5:58:25 GMT -5
You are a nice person, Esmé's meme is meh. (At first I thought 'who is this new person and why do they have such horrible thoughts?', and then I saw your stars and worked out it was you.) Granting that there is no right answer, here are my thoughts. The 'where are they now?' passage shows clearly that Lemony does not know what happened to most of the characters. However a few significant characters are not mentioned in this passage, suggesting L knows their fate. These include Hal (who I think survied, see the headcanon thread), Mr Poe and Justice Strauss (who probably died, given their situation when we last hear of them), and Esme and Carmelita. With these we cannot tell, but it's notable that L seems to think Esme might be alive later, when he writes 'E' in the margin of a letter from Beatreice. (Unless that stands for 'Ellington'. But I don't think it does.) |
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Post by tricky on Sept 8, 2020 19:39:55 GMT -5
I think Esme's attitudes towards Carmelita was more "in" based, alike the Baudelaires except Carmelita had a more Esme-ish personality. It would be interesting to hypothesize what would become of them after if they both survived, considering Esme wasn't very maternal in the first place. I think they would never see each-other again, but it's not implausible to think they'd remain a family.
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Post by Violet on Dec 29, 2021 14:20:00 GMT -5
I think they both survived but they won't be seen again.
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Post by Glittery666 on Dec 30, 2021 1:20:47 GMT -5
I think they both survived(this is actually implied in LSTUA)but didn't see each other again.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Dec 30, 2021 3:40:11 GMT -5
I think they both survived(this is actually implied in LSTUA)but didn't see each other again. It's so nice to hear this from someone other than myself!! |
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