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Post by counto on Aug 30, 2020 4:54:50 GMT -5
Who is more spoilt: Carmelita Spats from A Series of Unfortunate Events or Stew Mitchum from All The Wrong Places?
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Aug 30, 2020 5:55:37 GMT -5
All the Wrong Places, in which Aunt Josiphenes real estate fears come to fruition.....
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Post by Reba on Aug 30, 2020 7:47:38 GMT -5
Lookin’ for love in all the wrong questions
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Aug 30, 2020 11:52:07 GMT -5
The relationship between Carmelita's parents and her is not very explicit in ASOUE's books. We only see the result On the other hand, it is possible to see clearly the relationship causing consequence in Stew. A troubled family, in which parents refuse to accept their own child's bad temper, and are more busy with fights with each other than with raising their child.
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Post by Marlowe on Oct 2, 2020 18:19:29 GMT -5
Carmelita, as much of an arrogant brat as she is, doesn't strike me as being a sociopath like Stew, whose "spoiled" persona is more of a facade to hide the killer lurking beneath. Harvey & Mimi seem to be in psychological denial and are total pushovers for their problem child, while Olaf & Esme are more willing to put their foot down.
Verdict: Carmelita's more spoiled, Stew's more evil.
This make me realize - we don't ever hear about Carmelita's biological parents, do we?
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Post by Dante on Oct 3, 2020 8:22:07 GMT -5
This make me realize - we don't ever hear about Carmelita's biological parents, do we? In the U.A. (Chapter Eight), Nero responds to an unseen letter ostensibly from Mr. and Mrs. Spats. That's it.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Oct 3, 2020 8:48:48 GMT -5
They had sent a letter about the books that Geraldine Juliene had indicated were inappropriate. Evidently they were used in VFD books. It makes me think that the Spats didn't want their daughter to be involved with VFD (just like Bertrand and Beatrice). I'm not sure if I really imagine the Spats couple actually spoiled their daughter. Carmelita does not exactly demonstrate the characteristics of a spoiled child. Demonstrates the characteristics of a child with inferiority syndrome. In general, children like this receive little attention from their parents, and they show all their frustration at being bullies. The fact that Carmelita is in a boarding school already shows that her parents do not spoil her to the point of not wanting them to leave their side. In addition, her parents allow her to be part of groups like the Snow Scouts. I don't think parents who do this are in fact spoiling their children. Still, the fact that the parents are wealthy must have contributed to other people pampering Carmelita. I mean: think of how Bruce treats Carmelita as being special. If this behavior were to replicate to other adults with the exception of her parents, it would make her a more and more bully. She would start to act as she liked even to be able to draw the parents' attention, but without them being present this behavior (which would not be restrained by other adults) would become increasingly sickly. It is noticeable how Carmelita demonstrates that she needs parental attention. Unconsciously she finds Olaf the father she needs. Olaf is one of the only adults who actually says "No" to Carmelita. And she unconsciously likes that. Carmelita asks Olaf to teach her how to spit. Do you understand? It is something common in the healthy relationship between a father and a daughter. And then Olaf gives Carmelita an important job: hitting a crow with a harpoon. And she is happy to show the "father" what she managed to do with her own hands, that is, with her own effort. She learned there that doing things instead of requiring others to do for you brings satisfaction. So, I believe that Olaf was not spoiling Carmelita. I believe that her parents did not spoil her but treated her with indifference, I believe that most adults treated Carmelita very similarly to Esmé and Bruce treated her, and that it was this set of things that made Carmelita become a girl with distorted personality, bully, and in great need to prove her worth and qualities (as indicated by the title of her autobiography).
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