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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 20, 2021 10:28:53 GMT -5
I would really like to understand why there is a certain indifference on the part of the fans towards this character. (Maybe I got it wrong, and people are not really indifferent). But what do you think of her?
What are her motivations? She seems to have an attitude of authority similar to Olaf, or even superior to Olaf ... Would she be a better villain on her own? Was her death hasty?
Why did DH choose a tragic and painful death for her?
Did you like the actress's performance on the Netflix show?
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Post by Dante on Jan 20, 2021 13:50:30 GMT -5
It used to be the case that people thought quite highly of Dr. Orwell; and I like her in theory. But I think there are a couple of factors acting against her as a character to be raised and discussed often. One is that as a character she is more or less eclipsed by Esmé, who occupies the same niche of "competent and arrogant female villain"; but another is that, at risk of being a little oblique, her gear doesn't mesh. Her abilities don't fit the degree of reality in the rest of the series, she comes absolutely out of nowhere and has no backstory, she is written out of the series in the same book that introduces her. There is nothing really to say about her except that she has little to do with the rest of the series and seems at best a case of wasted potential. That isn't to say that her death was hasty, per se; I think it would have been a very different series if she were ever to return. But I think that, like Jacques, more could have been done with her after her death.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 20, 2021 13:56:14 GMT -5
I think it could have been better used at LSTUA. I remember only a brief quote about it from Sally Sebald.
I believe Dewey has less "screen time" than Georgina, but still has more attention from fans.
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Post by Dante on Jan 20, 2021 16:11:21 GMT -5
Dewey flares brightly and burns out in moments. We only really know him for two chapters, but he absolutely suffuses those two chapters; they are all about him. Even after his death, his link to Kit, and the Baudelaires' guilt over what happened to him, keep him relevant - alive, if you like. Dr. Orwell I suspect actually has even less page presence than Dewey, and once she's dead, that's more or less it - and unlike Dewey, she had far more opportunity to become relevant again in death, with a whopping nine books still to go (not counting supplementary material!).
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Post by counto on Jan 26, 2021 3:55:55 GMT -5
We know that Georgina Orwell holds a grudge against the Baudelaires, mainly because of an incident where Georgina hypnotised their children at some point when they were visiting VFD headquarters when they were younger. However they have no memory of the events because of this. Also the fact that Beatrice and Bertrand disapproved of Georgina's hypnosis (believing she was taking away people's freewill).
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Post by Dante on Jan 26, 2021 4:02:56 GMT -5
Those wouldn't happen to be details from the Netflix series, would they, counto? Such events are not documented in the books.
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Post by counto on Jan 26, 2021 4:10:38 GMT -5
No, but it is mentioned in previous theories and other works of LS
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2021 6:37:19 GMT -5
I think the only information we have is that she had a bad reputation in File Under Suspicious Incidents.
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Post by Dante on Jan 26, 2021 10:25:25 GMT -5
The optometrist mentioned in any case isn't necessarily Dr. Orwell, though it's clearly a reference to her as a character.
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Post by counto on Jan 26, 2021 18:05:54 GMT -5
Well Georgina Orwell is reference name to author George Orwell who is famous for writing 1984 and Animal Farm.
1984 is about a dystopian future Great Britain where citizens are brainwashed by war propaganda.
Which makes reference since Georgina hypnotises the mill workers and Klaus in TMM.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 26, 2021 19:32:57 GMT -5
I don't believe that TMM workers have been hypnotized. For me they were victims of a system that exploited cheap labor. They accepted this because they were uneducated about their own rights.
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Post by Dante on Jan 27, 2021 3:58:26 GMT -5
Once again, counto, you are incorporating details from the Netflix series which are not canon to the books. Dr. Orwell does not hypnotise the mill workers in canon.
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 27, 2021 8:00:19 GMT -5
Did I already say that TMM was my first ASOUE book? It was the first one I read, and I particularly like it, especially the moral "lesson" in this book: "There are many ways you can be exploited by greedy people, the simplest of which is that you stop reading about your rights especially because information about this is generally readily available, although in a language that is difficult for ordinary people to understand, but ordinary people should always use a dictionary or at least try to understand what is written without considering difficult words, as they can usually be understood by use in context. "
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Post by tricky on Jan 27, 2021 8:28:10 GMT -5
Did I already say that TMM was my first ASOUE book? It was the first one I read, and I particularly like it, especially the moral "lesson" in this book: "There are many ways you can be exploited by greedy people, the simplest of which is that you stop reading about your rights especially because information about this is generally readily available, although in a language that is difficult for ordinary people to understand, but ordinary people should always use a dictionary or at least try to understand what is written without considering difficult words, as they can usually be understood by use in context. " how the fk did you start on the fourth book!??
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Post by Optimism is my Phil-osophy on Jan 27, 2021 9:18:37 GMT -5
I just wanted to know how the film's story went on.
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