Mr baudelaire might be alive please read

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swans said:

...anything is possible especially in a fiction series where the narrator isn't all knowing but just another character with a limited knowledge of events.

So if Daniel wants us in suspense with wrong information, he'll have Lemony give us incorrect information. Since he's been a tricky little weasel about giving us any evidence at all, it seems fairly natural at this point to suspect even that little he's told us.

For example, any number of people have cited the two quotes about a woman Lemony loved being carried off by an eagle and Jerome having been hiking on Mt. Fraught with the children's mother when a swoop happened. We see that the two are probably connected, but it would be just like Daniel to muddy the waters by saying in the next book that any number of people were carried off by eagles (included a troop of Snow Scouts in a net). Then how would you know for certain that the two events were connected?

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

swans said:

Well, just to let you know I'm a taurus and I was born in the year of the pig.

So, I'm stubborn as well.

Lemony doesn't believe something from word of mouth? Look at his interviews in TBBRE if anything that is what his entire research is basically based on. He wasn't there at the time so he asks eye witnesses (who may not necessarily be reliable-- I've never really trusted olive vendors)and then looks for evidence on the scene.

And if you remember he is telling a story, he also told us in past books that Quigley perished in a fire. Then we met Quigley in TSS.

People have pointed out that Lemony himself wasn't saying Quigley died, but that the Quagmires believe he died.

The same thing could be taking place in TSS. Isadora and Duncan were careful researchers, and they thought their brother was dead. They were wrong.

Lemony could believe Jacques and Mr. Baudelaire are dead, and find out later they may not be.

I'm not saying I have evidence to prove that Mr. Baudelaire and Jacques are alive/dead. I'm just saying we don't evidence to either, and anything is possible especially in a fiction series where the narrator isn't all knowing but just another character with a limited knowledge of events.

hehe, im a taurus too. guess its true what they say.

anywho, as you mentioned lemony never said that quigley died. and he was actually alive. you said the same thing could be taking place with mr. baud. not the case, because the bauds (or the quags) aren't nearly as careful as lemony. he runs laps around their carefulness. he did say mr. baud was dead. so your own evidence supports my opinion.

sure he does believe few things from word of mouth. like the question that went something like "were you the one that shouted, 'blah blah blah' in the performance?"

response: "yes"

but that, along with the other questions wasn't very important to the story. the death of mr. baudelaire is. lemony wouldnt believe something from word of mouth that was that important. he mentioned the daily punctilio believes in information told by word of mouth, and often has false info. wouldn't he take his own advice and research it first?

oh yes, "lemony's limited knowledge of events". with limited knowledge he seems to go into great detail. i somehow doubt that he's gonna be wrong.

why cant u just face the facts (or at least believe that since he hasn't lied so far) and realize that mr. baud is dead.

as i mentioned before, its supposed to be a cliff hanger so everyone anticipates the next book.

*chuckles again that two taurus's are arguing, in a very stereotypical way that taurus's act*

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swans said:

Well, just to let you know I'm a taurus and I was born in the year of the pig.

So, I'm stubborn as well.

A la pennyrole? ;D

swans said:

And if you remember he is telling a story, he also told us in past books that Quigley perished in a fire. Then we met Quigley in TSS.

As far as I remember, LS never said outright that Quigley died. Duncan and Isadora said so. LS probably believed the stories he heard until he researched TSS - when he discovered Quigley had lived.
This "misleading research" also works in Mr. Baud's case - LS may say he died, but further research may indicate otherwise. At the bottom of pg. 335 in TSS, he talks about the grown men in the Baudelaire's lives. In the poem, "dead men rise up never". Therefore, Mr. Baud died - LS quite clearly states so. At least, he is dead based on LS's current information.

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

swans said:

People have pointed out that Lemony himself wasn't saying Quigley died, but that the Quagmires believe he died.

um ya, as you can see from the quote, swans mentioned that, read the rest of the post before you respond.

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

EXACTLY! mr. baud is dead, according to current information, i said we have to believe lemony. that doesn't mean he's right. but we have to trust him. if he says he's dead, he's dead. it may seem confusing the way im wording it, but i guess im trying to say that we need to trust him, yet we need to act as devils advocates at the same time.

just try to ride out the series and trust him, but look closely for information even he may have missed....

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

hey, i think i can explain it better now:

since we don't have any proof that he's lying, we have to assume he's right. as of now mr. baud is "dead", but he could be alive, but for now he's dead, he could be alive, but now he's dead, he could be alive.....

ah crud, does this help? i can't explain it very well, but for now, trust lemony!

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I meant persisting to refer to pennyroyal as pennyrole.

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

thanks swans ;D

[SnicketFires]

ok. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!

after listening to you ppl argueing for over 2 pages, i will come to a conclusion for you:

currently, we have no proof that mr baud is alive or dead. All we know is that the childrens father is dead, whether now or later or before isn't so important now. I am sure that DH will tell us more info in the next book, or spread some more light over the subject soon.

*also, in a previous post, i said something about why would jacques be as important as their father if they met him for approx. one day? they barley got to spreak with him, and hardly recognized his name. after two days of knowing him, he died. And he is on their "father figures" list? that peson could be as easily uncle monty, who is dead, or hector, or jerome or any other man they stayed with longer.

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snicketfires said:

I am sure that DH will tell us more info in the next book, or spread some more light over the subject soon.

I am equally certain that Daniel Handler will continue to spread confusion and ambiguity throughout the tales, much to the delighted consternation of this community.

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

snicketfires, we already stopped arguing. plus, never try to get in the way of two taurus's arguing. they'll only turn on you, its happened many a time...

*glares menacingly at snicketfires*

oh yeah, and to respond to your question:

i think he chose jacques snicket because his murder was the most recent, the most mysterious, and it was lemonys own brother, so he probably felt like putting him in, instead of the others. especially since jacque knew mr. baudelaire.

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

ya, i dont really know why i put the most recent. oh well. anyway, i really think its because he knew mr. baudelaire.

[Rachel]

I am very sad to telll you that I believe that the Mrs. Baudelaire is infact Beatrice, who Lemony has been deadicating his books to. But, I believe your theory that Mr. Baudelaire is alive to be correct(if any one did survive the fire). Why do I think this? Because Lemony is always telling the reader that Beatrice is dead. TEXTTEXTTEXT

[SnicketFires]

well then thanks for offering an answer to my question...

i will get in the way, because i am a gemini on the cusp of cancer. i like peace.

edit: and you needn't glare. im too sensitive. (who am i kidding?!)

[Ambidextrous Kevin]

um, we dont know if beatrice is the bauds mom or not rachel. in fact, we dont really know when she died (but its been pointed out that she died in the afternoon, while the baud mansion burned down in the morning, so she couldn't have died in the fire even if she was the bauds mom). and with the evidence on the second to the last page of TSS, mr. baudelaire is most likely dead.

so mrs. baud (whoever she is, beatrice or not) is most likely the survivor (if their is one).

edit: and snicketfires, i doesnt matter if u like peace or not. taurus's will argue with each other, but if someone else gets in the way, they turn on them. wether they mean peace or not, doesn't matter.