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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 8, 2006 21:26:41 GMT -5
I don't see how this is the denouement... Maybe the Beatrice letters will have more information.
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Post by Dante on Mar 9, 2006 10:20:28 GMT -5
I don't see how this is the denouement... Well, Lemony did, in TPP, describe the denouement of a story as often being "the penultimate peril" (page 177), and later on, page 251, he indirectly states that the events at Hotel Denouement were the Baudelaires' penultimate peril. Back on page 177 again, Snicket said that the Baudelaires' denouement was fast approaching, but the end of their story was still waiting for them - implying that the former was in that book, and the latter in the next. He also defined it as the unravelling of the knots of a story - a vague and ambiguous phrase, but Olaf believes the denouement of his story had come in TPP (page 306), and the explanation of the Hotel Denouement subplot, the revelation of the connection to V.F.D. of a number of characters, and their subsequent destructions, gets rid of a significant number of knots and tangles in the plot, to my mind. Edit: Oh, and obviously there's the link between a hotel's name and the stage of the story it's at - the Baudelaires stayed at Hotel Preludio prior to the series of unfortunate events, so it logically follows that their stay at Hotel Denouement was at the time of the denouement of their story. You may, of course, argue irony, or that it was the tnemeuoneD letoH or some such, but I doubt I shall be convinced. |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 9, 2006 21:53:28 GMT -5
Yes yes yes, I know all of that and we did get some information but I do not see how this is the full unravelling of the plot. The questions that were recently reposted that will reportedly be answered in book 13 seem more like questions to be answered in the denouement, so when the series is over I will most likely regard some stage in book 13 before the end as the denouement.
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Post by Dante on Mar 10, 2006 3:17:09 GMT -5
I was presenting a case in general, Jacques, not merely to you - I give you more credit than that, I know you'll know the book right through. And I think I see where you're coming from. I see the denouement of B13 and the denouement of the series as being separate, but I can see the merits of considering there to be no such distinction.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Mar 13, 2006 21:13:31 GMT -5
Hm. I should think the denouement of book 13 would indeed be considered the denouement of the series since it does the last bit of unravelling that's necessary, and not just evading most of the series-long questions we've had. But that is debatable I suppose.
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Post by dragonprincess on Apr 5, 2006 0:31:06 GMT -5
I really liked the book, I just expected a little more from the ending.
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Post by TheManager on Apr 5, 2006 18:01:09 GMT -5
I would give it a perfect 13
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Post by Semesther, the Dolphin Vampire on Nov 15, 2006 22:50:24 GMT -5
I gave it a 9.
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Post by beatriceblake on Nov 16, 2006 11:48:19 GMT -5
I loved Peril. With the exception of The End which is almost separate from the rest of the series: this is my favourite book. I love the moral ambiguity of the Bauds, the way most of the characters come together, the whole simultaneous action thing, the rippling scum metaphor (Busheney reference?) and the way the Bauds finally trick Count Olaf and find out that he admires their skills even as he plans to harm them.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Dec 1, 2006 22:55:50 GMT -5
I loved the characters coming back and just the hotel itself. Plus Kit/Dewey and the underwater library. I wish we could've seen it.
And there was plenty of action.
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Post by futuramaisback on Nov 23, 2007 8:28:32 GMT -5
it was the best up to that point
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Post by euro bateman on Dec 10, 2007 19:04:21 GMT -5
Someone resurrected a 2-year-old thread.
Awesome.
Also, I just re-read this yesterday! I rated it an 8 cos I can't choose between it, TEE, THH, and TCC.
Sure, it didn't solve many mysteries, but it brought up several new things that were of great interest (the poison darts incident at the opera, for instance). And I loved the Dewey-Kit thing.
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Post by Elle on Jun 27, 2008 1:30:44 GMT -5
*is happy about getting a chance to rant about how awesome TPP is*
Best. Book. Ever..... I bet it was cuz it had Dewey in it.... *<3s Dewey*......That's also the first book that really has Kit in it...TGG hardly counts... she's barely in it at all.. and Dewey+Kit=Awesome.. Also the trial scene is really funny... like with the person who keeps talking about their mother.... and the thing about spelling innocent..... yup... it's good... The whole thing is just really funny.. I love how Lemony can manage to make such depressing books so freaking hilarious.... Also, it was really well written... and I love the chapter ending with the not Frank or Ernest thing... brilliant.
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Post by notsoquiet on Jun 28, 2008 11:54:20 GMT -5
8/10
It was awesome. Wish Kit and Dewy played more in the book.
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Post by Elle on Jul 4, 2008 4:12:52 GMT -5
I think I like book twelve so much simply because it's one of the [oh so] few books where I didn't already know who was going to die. So, in a weird way, the death of Dewey [my most favoritest character] was rather pleasant... It was a surprise! Hooray! Ha. Surprise! Dewey's dead!
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