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Post by Grace on Nov 15, 2005 15:16:47 GMT -5
Here you can post and exchange ideas of who they might be, known characters, or unknown characters.
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Post by Dante on Nov 15, 2005 15:38:17 GMT -5
Well, I don't think they're known characters (by which I presume you mean we've heard their full names, but not seen the person fitting that name). I think they're Olaf's siblings, M. and N. on the family tree. That would partially explain why he's so frightened of them - they probably bullied him when he was young. Even if they weren't his siblings, they might have. I guess you could argue against that by saying they tried to capture him and he tried to poison them, but as Kit mentioned, the schism turned many brothers (and sisters) against each other. If they aren't Olaf's siblings, then I think they don't have secret identities - they're just the man with a beard, but no hair, and the woman with hair, but no beard.
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Post by lauren on Nov 15, 2005 18:59:04 GMT -5
Yes, I'm under the impression that they're Olaf's siblings too....In TPP we recently received evidence that suggests the Baudelaire parents knew them as TWWHBNB broke her finger in a dispute over a game of backgammon...and who loves to play backgammon...the Baudelaires parents especially the mum who would always win.
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 18, 2005 11:46:39 GMT -5
Someone recently suggested that the game of backgammon in which the WWHANB got her finger broken was the one at the cocktail party when Lemony hid under the table, made the board tremble, and spilled ink (TPP p. 141). The trembling might move the pieces, leading to a dispute.
The trouble with that idea is that he described himself as "someone who writes twelve or thirteen books in a relatively short time." If he had already written the books by the time of this party, it can't be the occasion "long ago" when the WWHANB got her finger broken (TPP p. 295).
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Post by Antenora on Nov 18, 2005 15:10:29 GMT -5
That's a good point; I'm wondering what the significance of the backgammon references is, if anything. If both the Baudelaire parents and the Sinister Duo liked backgammon, it may well be popular among VFD, and have been popular with them before the schism.
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Post by Grace on Nov 19, 2005 9:33:43 GMT -5
The trouble with that idea is that he described himself as "someone who writes twelve or thirteen books in a relatively short time." If he had already written the books by the time of this party, it can't be the occasion "long ago" when the WWHANB got her finger broken (TPP p. 295). But he could just be saying that to describe himself (i.e., I am a person who has written four fanfiction stories online) and that hasn't happened yet. *shrug* |
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 19, 2005 10:54:31 GMT -5
He seems to be describing a cause-and-effect situation. He says an advantage of being taciturn is that it is rare for your words to get you into trouble, and gives the example of someone who only produces one poem every ten years. Then he says someone who writes twelve or thirteen books is likely to find themselves hiding under a coffee table, etc.
It looks to me like the writing of the books has gotten him into the situation where he has to hide.
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Post by TheManager on Nov 20, 2005 17:51:04 GMT -5
]My hunch is that Olaf is not afraid of them any more. He only was scared in front of them because they were members of the high court and they could throw him in jail, if he failed.Thats probably what happened.
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Post by Sugary Snicket on Nov 24, 2005 11:10:37 GMT -5
They were NOT with the high court. They took the job to get Justice Strauss to trust them.
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Post by Dante on Nov 24, 2005 11:48:19 GMT -5
...If it was their job, then obviously they were with the High Court. They'd been members of the High Court throughout the series, since the very first book. I think they'd always been judges, even and especially before they turned bad. I also get the impression that they were older than Justice Strauss, and had been in the job longer - so she respected and admired them, and therefore trusted them.
Edit: And they wouldn't have taken the job just to get Justice Strauss to trust them, anyway. That was just a bonus; Olaf had Olivia to get the Baudelaires' locations from, and the sinister duo are clearly independent of him. I think that they joined, or in my opinion remained, judges of the High Court so that they could acquit villains and convict volunteers.
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Post by TheManager on Nov 24, 2005 19:48:40 GMT -5
ohhhhhh. O.K. I was not sure and all but thanks any way. ;D
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Post by Grace on Nov 26, 2005 9:16:23 GMT -5
Where does it say that the "Sinister Duo"'s initials are N and M?
EDIT: M from the VFD meeting in the UA could be the traitor, if indeed (s)he is one of the Sinister Duo.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 26, 2005 9:19:07 GMT -5
It's never stated outright that they're named M and N, but we can infer that from the family tree and the way they seem to be Olaf's older siblings, bossing Olaf around.
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Post by Ennui on Nov 26, 2005 9:34:01 GMT -5
However, it should be noted that, ahem, many distinguished theorisers still dissent from that theory...
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Post by TheManager on Nov 26, 2005 17:14:38 GMT -5
Who knows, but what there is to know about the MWABBNO and the WWHBNB is the they both really freak Olaf out and they know a lot about the Baudelaires, I hope in the 13th book, everything will be answered. ;D
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