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Post by Hooky on Nov 26, 2005 22:36:36 GMT -5
Not everyone wants all the mysteries to be revealed/answered in Book Thirteen. I don't. It would be too easy that way.
But back on topic. It is difficult to identify both of the Sinister Duo, but I think it is quite likely that they are Olaf's siblings. They seem to be rather more clever than Olaf is.
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Post by hugmydictator on Nov 27, 2005 4:20:23 GMT -5
They betrayed him in TPP. I don't think siblings would do that to eachother, even if they are wicked.
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Post by Dante on Nov 27, 2005 4:24:31 GMT -5
"The schism has turned many brothers into enemies."
-Kit Snicket, p40
And what about the Denouement siblings? Snicket seems to consider that Ernest would be glad at the death of his volunteer siblings:
"We're sorry," Sunny said, and the manager looked down at the youngest Baudelaire and blinked. Perhaps he was Frank, and thought the Baudelaires had done something wicked, or perhaps he was Ernest, and thought the Baudelaires had done something noble...
p261
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Post by hugmydictator on Nov 27, 2005 4:36:07 GMT -5
I think the Kit Snicekt quote relates to two siblings going in two different sides of VFD. But Olaf,TMWBBNH and TWWHBNB are both on the same side.
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Post by Dante on Nov 27, 2005 5:54:46 GMT -5
True. But what I was thinking was that people on the fire-starting side of the schism aren't as close to their families, and are more vicious; more willing to let them go. Not to mention that I can't imagine the sinister duo really caring about anyone (with the possible exception of each other, but they seem to operate as one unit, so I generally treat them as such). Olaf, too, was willing to destroy both his enemies and his comrades regardless of what side of the schism they were one, or whether or not they'd helped him. Basically, I think that wicked people and wicked siblings would betray each other without a second thought if it gave them the advantage.
Edit: Indeed, a wicked person might be more willing to betray a wicked sibling than a noble one; the volunteers, on the whole, aren't murderers (or prefer not to, at least) whereas the villains have no scruples about that sort of thing. Villains can't trust their villainous siblings not to harm them, whereas a volunteer sibling would usually attempt to convert them or try to put them in jail, and no worse. A villain can suspect their equally villainous sibling of worse things than they could suspect a volunteer sibling of; therefore, they'd be more willing to betray their villainous sibling, on the grounds that the sibling might do exactly the same thing - and worse, their sibling might do it first. A villain's worst enemy isn't a volunteer; it's another villain. The fire-starting side of the schism isn't one intact organisation; it's everyone for themself.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 27, 2005 7:33:03 GMT -5
I agree. While the evil siblings were all on the same side of the schism, they'd be willing to go to any means to gain an advantage. Olaf didn't mind letting his henchmen die, so the sinister duo doesn't care about him, even if they were siblings.
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Post by hugmydictator on Nov 27, 2005 15:09:20 GMT -5
Since you put it that way Dante, I agree with you about wicked member betraying their own henchmen and siblings.
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Post by trademarc on Dec 2, 2005 10:17:26 GMT -5
Perhaps it was the people mentioned in TBB:RE Gorgon and the other one.
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Post by RockSunner on Dec 2, 2005 13:43:17 GMT -5
Other than Dante's great fanfiction "Realtors in the Cave", there's no evidence that characters named Gorgon and Quisling will actually appear in the series. A Gorgon was a monster with snakes for hair that could turn people to stone if they looked at it. Vidkun Quisling was a Norwegian politician who betrayed his country when it was invaded by the Nazis. His name has become a synonym for "traitor."
Both of these names could be used in a list of "words for people like that" in TBB-RE without the need for characters with those names.
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Post by Dante on Dec 2, 2005 13:48:13 GMT -5
However, both can be used without capitalising the first letter... But I don't think Gorgon and Quisling, unless they really are the sinister duo, will ever appear; like many other clues in the series, I don't think anything will ever come of them. That's partially why I used the names in the aforementioned fanfiction.
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Post by Ennui on Dec 2, 2005 15:22:22 GMT -5
Were they supposed to end up as the Sinister Duo at the end, Dante? I wasn't sure; I thought not on the whole...
I remain a steadfast anti-M&N-er; I just think it's a rather dull conclusion to that subplot, really. I'd rather M and N were Olaf's slain parents anyway. I doubt we'll ever learn the Sinister Identities, and I'd rather not. They're larger than the sum of their parts; a faceless symbol of what evil can be capable of...
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Post by Dante on Dec 2, 2005 15:25:17 GMT -5
Considering my own views on the Question Mark, then I am somewhat obliged to agree with you... I'm starting to change my mind, and think that their identities will never be revealed; indeed, I have doubts that they'll even return. But we shall see. They've been a joy to read; they're among my favourite characters.
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Post by hugmydictator on Dec 2, 2005 15:57:53 GMT -5
I really like the Sinester Duo to. I think because they are just so mysterious. But I think Lemony has to bring them back because I don't think someone so evil will die so easly. They were the ones who burned down the head quarters so I think they serve a bigger purpose and wont just die off in TPP.
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Post by Dante on Dec 2, 2005 15:59:47 GMT -5
They don't have to have died for them not to return.
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Post by Ennui on Dec 2, 2005 16:00:36 GMT -5
It's a misconception that great evil is proof against death. It's not, any more than great virtue is...
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