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Post by RockSunner on Oct 24, 2006 6:43:26 GMT -5
The timing isn't right for Lemony to be Violet's father. Betrand and Beatrice spent a good deal of time on the island, leading the people to make a periscope, creating the hybrid apples, and working on the connecting tunnel. When they left, Beatrice was pregnant with Violet. I don't see how they could have accomplished all they did in less than nine months.
On the Great Unknown, all we know is that it is dark and damp inside. I still think it might be a living creature. The Quagmires might still be alive inside, as Gepetto was in Monstro the whale.
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Post by cyrus on Oct 24, 2006 9:03:20 GMT -5
On the Great Unknown, all we know is that it is dark and damp inside. I still think it might be a living creature. The Quagmires might still be alive inside, as Gepetto was in Monstro the whale. Maybe, but if it is a living creature, it cannot be just some sea monster. I think it must be some sinister and THINKING creature. It must be also connected with V.F.D. |
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Post by Edwin on Oct 25, 2006 10:00:50 GMT -5
The timing isn't right for Lemony to be Violet's father. Betrand and Beatrice spent a good deal of time on the island, leading the people to make a periscope, creating the hybrid apples, and working on the connecting tunnel. When they left, Beatrice was pregnant with Violet. I don't see how they could have accomplished all they did in less than nine months. True, but everything does eventually end up on the island including a certain Lemony otherwise he would not have been able to know what was on the island, and what was in the book entitled, "A Series of Unfortunate Events" |
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Post by beatriceblake on Oct 25, 2006 16:51:01 GMT -5
I don't think Violet is Lemony's daughter because there has been such a strong emphasis on the Baudelaire as siblings and their relationship to their parents. Lemony also refers to Mr Baudelaire as Violet's father.
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Post by RockSunner on Oct 25, 2006 21:26:42 GMT -5
True, but everything does eventually end up on the island including a certain Lemony otherwise he would not have been able to know what was on the island, and what was in the book entitled, "A Series of Unfortunate Events" "Eventually" and "in time to be Violet's father" are two very different things. Lemony no doubt eventually got to the island to see what happened to the Baudelaires, but I'd say not before he got the Beatrice Letters. |
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Post by cyrus on Oct 26, 2006 8:02:08 GMT -5
And what about "The Great Unknown"? Your opinions? I also think that there is one great evil that is greater than Olaf. And "The man with a beard but no hair", "A woman with a hair but no beard" and the "?" are just the different "heads" of that evil.
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Post by trish on Oct 26, 2006 12:32:04 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not sure if there is a whole seperate thread on this (if so, please tell me!) but the booklet that I got with The End has like... a family tree in it? And I don't know what a lot of the dotted lines connecting certain characters mean. Does it mean they got married? Are related somehow?
Help me?
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Post by Dante on Oct 26, 2006 12:46:37 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not sure if there is a whole seperate thread on this (if so, please tell me!) but the booklet that I got with The End has like... a family tree in it? And I don't know what a lot of the dotted lines connecting certain characters mean. Does it mean they got married? Are related somehow? Help me? Ah, the Shocking Secrets booklet. Let me recommend the following threads: (AuthorTrackers and) Shocking Secrets (particularly the earlier pages, I believe) Another thread attempting to make sense of the booklet post-B13I think my final verdict on the character chart was that it was so full of apparent errors and inconsistencies as to be meaningless. In fact, it could probably have been written without Handler's involvement at all, so its canonicity is dubious, to me. |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Oct 26, 2006 20:25:58 GMT -5
canonicity? I haven't seen that one before.
Hmm. But do we even know if the great unknown is evil? All the other characters besides Kit were willing to take their chances with it, even Widdershins who was the first to tell us how bad it is.
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Post by cyrus on Oct 27, 2006 8:29:42 GMT -5
So you think Widdershins was wrong? And the eyebrow-shaped creature is not evil? Maybe... I think it's a submarine because when it appeared Olaf said that they (Olaf's crew) mustn't appear on THEIR SONAR. So, if "?" has a sonar, it MUST be a submarine, and THEIR sonar...
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Post by honorablekoala on Oct 28, 2006 0:38:29 GMT -5
Meh, my first post here...let's see...
Ok, about the whole Ishmael=God thing...I don't buy it. True, the scene with the snake WAS a biblical illusion, but I think it has a totally different meaning from the one that corresponds with the idea of Ishmael representing God. One major theme of this story was moral relativism, or the idea that "bad" and "good" can rarely be easily classified. The IDV giving the children the apple directly relates to Satan giving Eve the apple. However, in the Bible this was considered "bad", while in TE this was considered "good". I think the main idea that is trying to be explained here is the fact that an action is seen as bad or good depending on the circumstances and the point of view. The example that is often used in the book is the children burning down the hotel. Yes, it might seem like a bad action to everyone else, but they gradually accept the fact that they had to do it due to the circumstances. Anyways, I hope this makes sense...I know it makes sense to me. I just see it as one large circle- the first time the "apple exchange" (i.e. in the Bible) goes around, it produces an apparently negative result. The second time (The End), it produces an apparently positive result, leading to another delightful topics that I'm too tired to get into at the moment...anyways, that's all for now...I'll come back and post some more when it's not 12:30am...
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Post by PJ on Oct 28, 2006 1:02:11 GMT -5
Yeah, what he said. I mean, it never occured to me that Ishmael was a symbol for God. I just think that it was Handler throwing a jab at religion with the serpent giving the apple. I mean, none of his other allusions really meant much, the works they came from didn't really have much of an influence on the storyline...
...so why should this one?
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Post by queequegcaptain on Oct 29, 2006 12:48:23 GMT -5
ok, this is what i think. On the last picture of evrey book there is an object that relates to the next book. There is a question mark hidden in the picture of chapter 14. I think that there will be1 more book that is about the question mark and the ppl it swallowed up.
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Post by korovamilkbar14 on Oct 29, 2006 13:27:31 GMT -5
I think that the question mark-shaped object will appear in the 'Horseradish' book, along with maybe the Quagmire triplets.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Oct 29, 2006 22:09:47 GMT -5
I hope the horseradish book gives us a bit more truth.
Of course there's religious imagery in The End but that's obviously not the main focus of the book...
And yes, there would've been a series of unfortunate events. Handler made sure to include more histories than just the bauds in the last 2 books. For instance four children received bad news at a beach during tpp and Olaf told the baudelaires that he knew all these miserable stories in addition to theirs.
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