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Post by Phoebonica on Nov 3, 2006 11:17:48 GMT -5
I just thought of something. Olaf clearly believes the Baudelaire parents murdered his parents, whether or not that's what actually happened (which I'm assuming it is, since we never find out any different). But did he ever know who gave them the box of poison darts all those years ago?
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Post by thedoctororwell on Nov 3, 2006 11:59:02 GMT -5
I think he knows. After all, Esmé was running after Kit when she gave the poison darts to Béatrice... There's no way Esmé wouldn't have revealed it to Olaf. In my opinion, it's this revelation from Esmé which convinced Olaf joining the bad VFDers.
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Post by cyrus on Nov 3, 2006 12:44:32 GMT -5
Ooooh ! It makes me think of a smart JKR quotation ! "It's the unknown which scares us when you face corpses and darkness. Nothing else." Well, nevermind. I think it was a kind of gigantic animal created by VFD to control seas, but wich became out of control itself. So, it's not evil if you look at it, it's just an animal without judgement. But it seems more to be a metaphore... These innocent people eaten by the deepness of unknown mysteries... But in GG Olaf mentioned the "?" has a sonar! |
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Post by Dear Dairy on Nov 3, 2006 12:49:34 GMT -5
Ooooh ! It makes me think of a smart JKR quotation ! "It's the unknown which scares us when you face corpses and darkness. Nothing else." Well, nevermind. I think it was a kind of gigantic animal created by VFD to control seas, but wich became out of control itself. So, it's not evil if you look at it, it's just an animal without judgement. But it seems more to be a metaphore... These innocent people eaten by the deepness of unknown mysteries... But in GG Olaf mentioned the "?" has a sonar! But Olaf is not a reader of great literature, so he couldn't possibly understand what a metaphor is! ;D |
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 3, 2006 19:15:49 GMT -5
But Olaf is not a reader of great literature, so he couldn't possibly understand what a metaphor is! ;D Not so. I quote: "Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf." That's a metaphor, or at least a simile. |
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Post by Sora on Nov 3, 2006 19:23:51 GMT -5
Olaf is well read. He was a member of VFD, thus he must have been, and he knows more then he lets on. Sure he says incredibly stupid things sometimes, but I think he still has that great intelligence in him somewhere. Somewhere.
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Post by Spymaster E on Nov 3, 2006 19:32:24 GMT -5
Olaf is well read. He was a member of VFD, thus he must have been, and he knows more then he lets on. Sure he says incredibly stupid things sometimes, but I think he still has that great intelligence in him somewhere. Somewhere. I think he was just prentending that he couldn't spell in TPP to annoy the Bauds and Justice Strauss. (He likes to make jokes in serious situations). |
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Post by cyrus on Nov 4, 2006 4:26:40 GMT -5
And Olaf must know what REALLY is "?"!
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Post by beatriceblake on Nov 4, 2006 5:46:07 GMT -5
It can be a submarine and still symbolise the unknown at the same time. Submarines have sonar. Also I think Widdershins did fear the unknown, assuming that any change would be for the worse. As the Baudelaires would be entitled to in ASoUE. Also have people heard the story about medieval mapmakers in England? They did not know a great deal about what lay beyond Europe and the blanks were filled in with the words: "Where unknown, there place monsters,". People generally fear the unknown be it death, or school or the future.
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Post by cyrus on Nov 4, 2006 9:36:07 GMT -5
I agree it's a sumbol but I'm mostly interested in the CONCRETE meaning of "?". I think it must be a submarine belonging to "Man with a beard but no hair" and "Woman with hair, but no beard". I also find something fishy in the shape of "The Great Unknown". In GG it is said it looks like a giant eyebrow!
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Post by Dante on Nov 4, 2006 9:40:53 GMT -5
Once, I think it is described - in a simile - as being like Count Olaf's eyebrow come alive, but it is described several times as resembling a question mark, including in its initial appearance (whereas the eyebrow simile is from near the end of the book). In fact, I'll quote it:
They merely saw an enormous shadow, curling and uncurling in the water, as if Count Olaf’s one eyebrow had grown into an enormous beast that was roaming the sea, a shadow as chilling as the villain’s glare and as dark as villainy itself.
Edit: In TGG, Lemony also says that it slithers like a snake, but explicitly states that it does not look like a snake, but like a question mark; I imagine the same may be true of the eyebrow comparison.
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Post by snicketfilepg13 on Nov 4, 2006 16:07:04 GMT -5
Maybe we aren't meant to know what exactly the Great Unknown is. I suppose H:BTYCA will answer the sugar bowl questions. But I will be greatly annoyed if it doesn't. I reckon though, that the ? could be good, as Olaf and Widdenshins did want to steer away from it. Could it be a good thing?
All this talk of the "?" reminds me of the Lost episode entitled ?, last season.
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Post by cyrus on Nov 5, 2006 6:18:16 GMT -5
But, for Quagmires', Hector's, etc. return, the mystery of "?" must be solved!
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Post by sunnyrox on Nov 6, 2006 9:44:09 GMT -5
Ok so the last quote were Lemony said like we are boats passing through the night like you. Does that mean lemony Loved Beatrice the baby? WAIT!!!! I just thought of something!! The Baby can't be the Beatrice that Lemony loved!! Because he talks about loveing her as a like a Lover But it would be his neice if it were the baby wouldn't it!!!!???OH I just got more confused!!!
and another thing, which triplet was calling out for Violet? wasn't there like a whole love triangle thing going on were Violet couldn't decide which one she liked? Sorry if I sound stupid and random but I haven't read the other books in a long time. Oh I wish I could reread all of them and take notes but that would take to long!! GRRR
I just thought of something, and again sorry to be so random but my head is spinning. Ok some one on page 22 said Olaf thinks the Baudelair Parents killed his parents, and the Baudelaire orphans think Olaf killed their parents so Isn't that a little Weird. I don't think either of these things happened. Can we discuss the theory that Olaf didn't set the fire like they kind of suggest in the last book. Oh and was he really evil or just lost ,confused and Heartbroken in this crazy world. I mean after all the Baudelair Orphans did alot of the same stuff he did
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Post by Tigerclaw can drive a car :B on Nov 6, 2006 22:20:23 GMT -5
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