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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 9, 2005 19:26:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Dumbledore's spell uses Harry's mother's blood to protect Harry, I don't think it protects everyone with Harry's mother's blood... But Vernon does seem a target, if only for the reason that Voldemort wants him out of the way.
But then again... Vernon could be a collaborator, we all saw how close he came to throwing Harry out, he could sell Harry out to Voldemort to protect his family...
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Post by TvSkater on Jul 9, 2005 21:42:32 GMT -5
He would. Heck, he was going to do it last time. But Petunia wouldn't let him, especially after that "Remember my last, Petunia," Howler letter.
Only like a week and a half, guys! Soon, we'll see which of us are right.
Recently, I visited another Harry Potter site, and here is a theory that someone posted that I found very ineteresting:
Snape may die in the 6th book because, as we know from the first book, Snape needs to do something in return for James saving his life. Either he will help Harry by saving his life and in doing so sacrifice himself (thereby repaying his debt to James), or just be killed for betraying Voldemort. When Lord Voldemort returned in Goblet of Fire he says, "And here we have six missing Death Eaters... three dead in my service. One too cowardly to return... he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever... he will be killed, of course". Snape betrayed Voldemort and joined forces with his enemy, Albus Dumbledore. Voldemort will of course be furious with him and will most likely kill him personally.
I've never thought of Snape but now it seems probable. Any responses to this?
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 11, 2005 20:09:46 GMT -5
Snape does seem likely but JKR said we'll get lots more information on him so he'll have to die at the end or in the 7th book because we'll be getting important info on him.
And he's still been consorting with known death eaters who heard what voldemort said and he still hasn't been killed or even handed over to Voldemort(like Lucius Malfoy for instance) so him being killed by Death eaters doesn't seem too likely. And him being a former death eater and hungry for the dada post I think he can take care of himself.
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Post by TvSkater on Jul 12, 2005 21:43:56 GMT -5
Don't forget that he is part of the Order, so that makes him valuable to Voldemort. I still think he's a good target, but you're most likely right, he won't die. He's Harry's least favorite teacher, and with out him the Potions class, or Hogwarts for that matter, won't be half as ineteresting. I heard that more of his past will be revealed including his past with Sirius. It ought to be interesting.
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Post by MsMourning on Jul 13, 2005 20:17:51 GMT -5
I don't know if Vernon would want to negotiate with someone that has to do with magic. It's obvious how against it he is. Plus, they said that Petunia knows a lot more than she lets on and we'll probably find that out in the 6th or 7th book. She seems like she would be more cautious. Depending on what she knows anyway.
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Post by TvSkater on Jul 14, 2005 19:51:59 GMT -5
I wonder what it could be about Petunia that hasn't been revealed... she always makes me suspicious. Maybe her mean, pityless image is trying to uncover something deep and dark from her past....
I think, from my first post (which said Hagrid) that my opinion has changed. I don't think it'll be Hagrid, but maybe the new DAtDA teacher, or Percy, simply out of pure hope.
(I just realized that I first started this thread on Dec. 5, my birthday, which was like *starts to count on fingers* 7 months ago! Whoah! And we're going to find out who is right in just 1 day! Another woah!)
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 14, 2005 20:13:58 GMT -5
I don't know if Vernon would want to negotiate with someone that has to do with magic. It's obvious how against it he is. Plus, they said that Petunia knows a lot more than she lets on and we'll probably find that out in the 6th or 7th book. She seems like she would be more cautious. Depending on what she knows anyway. He'd sure negotiate if Voldemort were there ready to kill his family on spot if he refused negotiations... I have no hesitation saying that Vernon would hand over Harry if Voldemort legitimately threatened him with death or worse. And Percy does seem like a target, high in ministry and close to people that are close to Dumbledore. I could see him being captured, tortured for information he doesn't has since the good side would no longer trust him, then murdered once he's no longer any value to his captors... |
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Post by TvSkater on Jul 15, 2005 14:33:45 GMT -5
I think that Harry will die because of the prophecy. "Neither can live while the other survives" I think it's like a Dragon Heart thing. What happens to one will happen to the other. Once Harry kills Voldemort, he too will die or vice versa. Harry will have to make the ultimate sacrifice. In killing Voldemort, he is killing himself. Uhh, yeah except for one problem. If Harry dies now, then what's the 7th Harry Potter book going to be about? Maybe she will do that in the last book, but I would find that highly depressing and ruining the whole plot.  I don't think she'd kill both of them. The prophecy never said that one actually had to kill the other, did it? Maybe Voldemort will die from something strange and completely unprediactable: Like, for instance, Wormtail finally taking a stand and kills Voldemort. Wouldn't that be a happy ending? |
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 15, 2005 22:12:11 GMT -5
Neville.
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Post by Ron Weasley on Jul 16, 2005 0:17:10 GMT -5
[glow=orange,2,300]I HOPE you were just guessing and didn't just spoil everything for me![/glow]
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Post by TvSkater on Jul 20, 2005 18:05:55 GMT -5
Of course we were guessing, we've BEEN guessing this since December. Unfortunately, I was wrong everytime. Did anyone here guess right? It was very unexpected, so I don't think many got it right. *SPOILER* According to my poll, 6 people actually guessed right. Congratulations to the 11% of you who were clever/lucky enough to choose Dumbledore!! Now all I can think is: I should've known! It was so obvious, how could I not even consider him?! I am very sad, of course, Dumbledore was one of my favorites.... I just wanted to mention one more thing: I was looking back at previous posts that everyone made, and this one got me thinking: I imagine Voldemort will not actually die, but he will be trapped in some way that is worse than death, as Dumbledore suggested at the end of the last book. A time-looping accident with a time-turner would be one way... fearful things happen to wizards who meddle with Time. I think this is a very good theory. Harry could somehow send Voldemort back in time. Then, the Voldemort in the past will see the future Voldemort, and kill him. I know that Dumbledore always said that there were worse things then death, and how Harry could love when Voldemort cannot, but I don't see how Harry's love is going to help him the next time he faces Voldemort. |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jul 21, 2005 21:25:59 GMT -5
I do, it offers him protection and possibly more. Who is to say that some spell does not exist where love allows a great deal of people to temporarily surrender their powers to the person they love to make he/she more powerful?
In other words, Harry's loved ones could let him have their powers to make him strong enough to face Voldemort. The power of love can give harry the strength to triumph. Of course this is strictly guessing, mostly because as of the end of hbp, Harry simply does not have the skills or powers necessary to defeat powerful dark wizards like Voldemort.
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I don't think she'd kill both of them. The prophecy never said that one actually had to kill the other, did it? Maybe Voldemort will die from something strange and completely unprediactable: Like, for instance, Wormtail finally taking a stand and kills Voldemort.
