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Post by B. on Jun 28, 2012 11:11:43 GMT -5
It is an interesting connection to make, but I don't think things occurring in the board game can really be counted as canon. It's unlikely we'd see the idea of poison- what motives would Ink Inc. have for poisoning ink? After Lemony's poisoned tea in Chapter 1, it's unlikely Snicket would return to this idea.
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Post by johanna on Jun 28, 2012 11:25:48 GMT -5
Good points.
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Post by Dante on Jun 28, 2012 12:00:49 GMT -5
After Lemony's poisoned tea in Chapter 1, it's unlikely Snicket would return to this idea. I wouldn't be so sure. The poisoned tea at the start can be used to establish an idea which is then revisited later - to contextualise it, if you like.
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Post by Antenora on Jul 26, 2012 10:59:27 GMT -5
I searched Google for "bombinating beast" and found this, which says: What is a Bombinating Beast? Who really owns the statue of this mythical creature? Should young Lemony Snicket even be asking these questions? I don't know if we should infer anything from this three-sentence synopsis, since it sounds like extrapolation from other promotional materials. Note also the vagueness of "this mythical creature"-- it could be implying that the statue represents the Bombinating Beast, but it could just as easily be another, unspecified, creature.
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Post by Dante on Jul 26, 2012 11:02:28 GMT -5
It's hard to judge whether the site is conflating material from elsewhere; given the nature of it, it doesn't look like the sort of site that would be savvy enough to have accumulated such outside material or to have added such an original inflection. As such, I think it's worth considering, if taking with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Lost In Des Moines. on Aug 12, 2012 7:13:52 GMT -5
One particular thing I am hoping some expansion on is The Woman With Hair But No Beard's 'Infant slave' before the schism, I at first considered perhaps this was Lemony, however on pg. 126 of The Slippery Slope, Olaf comments on the child being all grown up by now, to which she replies "Not necessarily" with a laugh. On the other hand, we all know that Lemony was assumed to be dead by many, perhaps, there could be some connection here? I for one hope so, and I would also like to see the theft of the Sugar Bowl in the future, even without ever finding out what was inside.
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Post by Dante on Aug 12, 2012 7:25:09 GMT -5
Hi there, lostindesmoines. Since ATWQ takes place after the schism, it's unlikely we'll see the infant slave directly, but if she ever appears in the series - which isn't unreasonable - then we might hear more on that topic, or discover it to be another character we're already familiar with. So there are possibilities, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. Ditto the sugar bowl; that seems like it would be dated years after ATWQ. As well as old mysteries I think we should start getting excited about everything new there is to learn.
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Post by Lost In Des Moines. on Aug 12, 2012 7:44:54 GMT -5
See I'm having a lot of trouble working out what happens where and when in this universe, I've been trying to find some sort of established timeline everywhere! I presumed Lemony was a little older than he apparently is, potentially the same age as Olaf. I'm excited to find out some new things too, but as I'm re-reading the whole series again this week I've noticed so many things alluded to that we never find out, things about Lemony I'd love to be cleared up once and for all.
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Post by Dante on Aug 12, 2012 7:49:59 GMT -5
Looking for an established timeline is a bit of a fool's errand; there's much that's intentionally vague, and I'd say it's unlikely Handler felt that a rigid timeline was important either. There are a few aspects of timing or age which he seems to revise over the course of the books, but occasionally he also makes reference to really obscure parts of earlier books, so I think that is an active decision not to worry too much about the timing. That does throw open a lot of possibilities for ATWQ, I guess, but I think it's a bit risky to think of it as an "ASoUE prequel" as opposed to being its own story. From what we've seen of it so far, it seems pretty reasonable to say that it's quite a different beast to Snicket's previous series, and we really have no idea what sort of depth to expect from a continuity perspective.
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Post by Lost In Des Moines. on Aug 12, 2012 8:05:11 GMT -5
I just like things to fit together, y'know? He's definitely done a good job at leaving everything in the open, literally anything could happen in this series.
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Post by Call Me Ish on Aug 13, 2012 17:27:14 GMT -5
I don't know why, but something makes me think that S. Theodora Markson is the Woman With Hair But No Beard...
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Post by Dante on Aug 16, 2012 15:15:31 GMT -5
I had some thoughts on some of the chapter illustrations we have. Could this be a discarded draft for Chapter Four? It seems to fit the description of the street very closely. That "EEEEE" noise - could it be... bombination?
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Post by Antenora on Aug 16, 2012 17:05:05 GMT -5
Along those lines, I wonder if this picture was a discarded draft for Chapter Three-- it obviously depicts the Mallahan lighthouse:
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Post by Allyieh on Aug 19, 2012 1:04:39 GMT -5
I think, even for my own sake, I'm going to reread the books and these new chapters and make a timeline that I can tape up on my wall on slips of notebook paper, and add to places as I go. I also sometimes forget important clues or events, and I think with this new series coming up, it'll help me immensely with all my speculations lol Edit: I went off somewhat of a tangent on a separate board and I thought it was more situated to be on this one so I quoted it below When the only female character I knew of was Moxie and the opening line of “I was hired in the town and I thought the girl had nothing to do with the theft. I was wrong.” was given, I thought it meant her. But now after reading the chapters, and knowing (somewhat) about Ellington, it might point to her. Did they meet offhandedly or in such a way where there was no evidence/reason for Ellington to have suspicions on her for the theft? Is there a totally different theft that happens unrelated to the Beast (the missing paper from Qwerty)? I like the previously mentioned idea of Ellington looking for her father, and her devious actions coming from that. Maybe she stole the artifact as leverage for information from Hangfire? Or the possibility of Hangfire being her father, or even her brother? Maybe the Feint family has claims to the statue as well, since Sallis doesn't specify that she wants the statue back at her mansion, only that she wants it delivered to the rightful owner and to not have the Sallis name mentioned. Maybe Ellington's father is Sallis' son, and she kept her maiden name after her husband's death? Or Hangfire has relations too, if he isn't part of the Feint family at all. She definitely, even as old as she is, has ulterior involvement if she knows the mentioning of her name will produce some kind (most likely negative) of reaction. The butler was also just so cast aside, that he might come up later as well as one of those secondary characters (I highly doubt he himself is Hangfire). I also can't wait for the eventual scenes of someone traversing through the seaweed "forest" - it's mentioned as such a terrible place to go, which obviously means that someone will be going into it, possibly with someone going after them, right? XD I also went back to the picture of Ellington we recieved through email, and was wondering if one of the devious acts she pulls to make Lemony question her would be her stealing their suitcases. The simple marker drawing we get has her holding two suitcases, one bigger than the other, which was how both Lemony's and Markson's suitcases were described in the novel.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Aug 19, 2012 9:43:46 GMT -5
I also went back to the picture of Ellington we recieved through email, and was wondering if one of the devious acts she pulls to make Lemony question her would be her stealing their suitcases. The simple marker drawing we get has her holding two suitcases, one bigger than the other, which was how both Lemony's and Markson's suitcases were described in the novel. I don't think it's that one suitcase is smaller than the other. I think it's that she's standing to one side and the farthest bag is drawn smaller to give it perspective. Plus, there is none of the other distinguishing features that would make it easier to call them suitcases (the dent in Lemony's case, for instance, or the tag from "And a toothbrush"). Ellington's illustration is mysteriously rudimentary. We know the reason now for the gap in her hair - a shading aspect - but is there also a reason for the gap between her hand and the bags?
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