It turns out there was another floor above...

[Antenora]

If I ever become a writer I will seek to confuse my fans just enough to keep them interested, but not enough to deter them from reading.

[Dante]

Handler and Rowling did it, and they've gained huge followings. I see no reason why it shouldn't work for someone else.

[kjlsnicket29]

Fight said:

AnnaKarenina, it was pretty obvious that Jerome didn't receive that letter, and that the doorman took it. The hook-handed man could have been posing as the doorman for ages - he isn't seen in TWW, TMM, or TAA.

This is all clear in Jerome's letter to Jacques.

Also: The room above the penthouse was probably some kind of V.F.D. refuge in case of trouble. In TSS, Quigley saide that the tunnels were built by volunteers to lead to safe places.

It's also worth mentioning that the Snicket File page 13 picture was taken in front of 667 Dark Avenue.

Wow..in front of 667 DA? I forgot THAT part..but that's..interesting. Anyways, I still haven't had time to read LSUA again. I reeeeally need to.

[Dante]

Yeah, everyone always forgets that, and instead squabble about how it's a family photo and K. is the Baudelaire mother. They also forget that photographs need a photographer.

[Alchemist]

I never thought of the person taking the photograph. Perhaps the doorman?, K?, some other VFDer? Maybe they used that thing when they press a button on the camera and after ten seconds it takes a shot by itself. Does anyone know what it's called

[Antenora]

I also suspected that they were using that sort of camera, but I don't know what it's called. Or the doorman could have taken the photo. Or a random passerby, although from the descriptions the photo sounds like the subjects were posing for a snapshot.

[Dante]

I am of the opinion that K. is a photographer, and that she took it. Not that it's relevant to anything other than proving that K. isn't the Baudelaire mother, a theory which I find ridiculous in the extreme.

[songbird11989]

Fight said:

Paraphrase:
"...looking at a piece of paper that fills me with dread,
"In photographs, and in every public place
Snicket rarely shows his face." "

[glow=orange,2,300]Got a theory...but its farfetched as usual. LOL. If Snicket rarely shows his face in pictures, we know he's hiding and stuff but how can we possibly be sure which Snicket he is? I know thats kind of stupid but think about it. If he's in hiding and all that then why would he even bother going out in public? Obviously he would be disguised so whatever pictures they have gotten of him or whoever wouldn't be correct ....Yea that makes no sense. Okay whatever[/glow]

[Antenora]

I suppose that sometimes he can't avoid going out in public. He's on the run from justice(or should that be "injustice"). Snicket is hiding in plain sight, and his trench-coat-fedora-and-obscured-face look is identifiably unidentifiable.

[kjlsnicket29]

Fight said:

I am of the opinion that K. is a photographer, and that she took it. Not that it's relevant to anything other than proving that K. isn't the Baudelaire mother, a theory which I find ridiculous in the extreme.

So...you think K is the Baudelaire mother? Or..I just don't understand. Yeah, I think K took the Damocles Dock picture. Did it say who took that picture? Did it say R did?

[Dante]

AnnaKarenina said:

So...you think K is the Baudelaire mother? Or..I just don't understand. Yeah, I think K took the Damocles Dock picture. Did it say who took that picture? Did it say R did?

I wasn't very clear. I don't think that K. is the Baudelaire mother, and hate that theory with the burning passion of a thousand suns.

And Lemony never shows his face because the authorities might recognise him - they think that he set a number of fires that were in fact caused by Olaf. Evidence that proves his innocence is in the sugar bowl, although what that evidence is I cannot imagine. Perhaps a photograph, although in the U.A. index, photographs are linked to "doubtful evidence" or something similarly negative. Still, we'll probably find out at last in the Grim Grotto, in which it seems that the sugar bowl will be found.

[Dante]

swans said:

R's speciality is meteorology, and K's seems to be interested in teaching/cameras. So I'd say K is more likely to be the one taking photographs versus R.

Though perhaps as R tracks the weather she's also tracking others.

I'd forgotten that R. gave lectures at Orion Observatory. How much stuff must we forget? It seems as though all the evidence for the major questions, such as "What does V.F.D. stand for?" and "Who is Beatrice?" push all the small things out of our brains. Or mine, at least. It doesn't help that I can barely remember what happened yesterday.

swans said:

... K's seems to be interested in ... cameras.

Where did you pick that up from in the books? The only place that I can recall something like that from is my own leap-of-faith theories (leap of faith because there wasn't actually any evidence that I could find to indicate that they were true).

Edit: It seems that I start more new pages than everyone else. But then again, I do insist on posting in nearly every thread, so perhaps it's unavoidable.

[kjlsnicket29]

swans said:

R's speciality is meteorology, and K's seems to be interested in teaching/cameras. So I'd say K is more likely to be the one taking photographs versus R.

Though perhaps as R tracks the weather she's also tracking others.

Yes, I agree on the teaching/camera thing. It's a lot more likely for her to take a picture of her brother, too, because she knows his danger of course. And I forgot all about the R at the Orion Observatory...hm. Interesting. And I also didn't know she was into..meteorology. That's pretty cool. She might give the weather to V.F.D people, in case they're going somewhere, or there's a fire, and she thinks it's going to rain or something...but that...doesn't make a whole...lot of sense.

[Dante]

swans said:

You guys do remember the weather report from THH.

You aren't going to believe this, but - I don't! I always found THH rather dull. It's usually TSS that I reread, because it's my favourite of them all. I'll scout around for the weather report when I have some spare time, a phrase which here means "am not utterly absorbed in 667".

swans said:

Consider yourself lucky. Perhaps you may barely remember yesterday but at least you haven't lost your reasoning.

Well, I suppose that that is something. Although you're probably putting yourself down a little. But then again, I can't really say anything about that, because I do it myself nearly every day.

swans said:

Reply #1 on: Feb 9th, 2004, 2:40pm »
I think the Herpetological Society is just that, or possibly a cover for one of the many branches of VFD.

We also have the Orion Observatory where R gives a yearly lecture to the Meteorological Society.

I think all VFD members train for all occupations, and so when it comes to their assignments they can build a life based on their training. Jacques (in his letter to Jerome) says VFD requires members to pretend to be various occupations including detective, ship captain, dramatic critic, duchess, waiter and etc.

Uncle Monty's cover was being an expert on Snakes, Jacques was a detective, Lemony was a dramatic critic..Larry was a waiter.

In a way it makes you distrust everyone because you don't know if the olive vendor in TBB was actually an olive vendor, or a VFD member pretending to be an olive vendor.

I remember that, dimly. It's very familiar. And I agree, mostly. I don't think that the entire Herpetology Society is a cover for V.F.D., though, and nor do I believe that V.F.D. invent false societys as a cover. A real society would be far better cover for a Volunteer than a false one invented by V.F.D.

Heh. The whole thing is like a global conspiracy - only for the good of the people, which would be a first.

And don't forget the taxi drivers with pictures of false family members.

[sonicflood]

well you never know, the elevator on the first floor could have had a 67th floor, and they were lying,and that is thge reason they took out the elevators, not because it wasn't "in"