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Post by Shelly on Jun 21, 2005 21:54:47 GMT -5
I don't know about you, but i want to see Beatrice's face!! I was flicking through my copy of TUA and i saw in the index 'Beatrice, see 'identity of Beatrice' I flicked and looked under 'identity of Beatrice' and i got page number 211. I flicked to it - and it's the page with the hole with it. Come on!!! This is the most I've seen of Beatrice - www.lemonysnicket.com/tc_beatrice.html-and I'm fustrated!!!
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Post by Dante on Jun 22, 2005 5:11:30 GMT -5
What precisely do you want us to discuss in this thread?
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Post by Antenora on Jun 22, 2005 6:47:09 GMT -5
Um, why Beatrice's face is obscured, I guess?
The "identity of Beatrice" photo is burned through precisely because that is essentially the identity of Beatrice--ashes and nothingness due to dying in a fire.
And like Lemony, she may have been reclusive and camera-shy. It seems that some VFDers are.
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Post by Dante on Jun 22, 2005 6:53:57 GMT -5
But of course, the real reason we haven't seen Beatrice's face is because her identity is a mystery. Is she Mrs. Baudelaire? Mrs. Quagmire? A relative of Mrs. Baudelaire? Somebody completely unconnected? Seeing her face wouldn't answer those questions, but it would give her an identity. Also, we can never see Beatrice's real face - that would destroy some of the mystery around the character. She can appear in the books, sure, but no photographs or illustrations (unless they're blurred, or her back is turned).
That sounded really good, but it's also somewhat impractical. Maybe we could cancel it for the thirteenth book. I guess it depends what Lemony's plans are.
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Post by Sixteen on Jun 22, 2005 7:44:32 GMT -5
I can't remember which one, but one of the chapters is re-titled "Why was this actress replaced after only three performances?" with a picture of a young woman. In the chapter Lemony speaks of Beatrice as an actress and the it also has their wedding greeting from the Vinyard of Fragrant Drapes. Could this woman be Beatrice?
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Post by Dante on Jun 22, 2005 8:01:02 GMT -5
Hm. Well, that fair defeats my point. However, it also defeats the point of burning out the photograph at the end.
Okay. The picture of the actress, because of the context, is probably Beatrice. So maybe the picture of Beatrice at the end of the book was a picture of her with something or someone which gave a clue to her identity.
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Post by PJ on Jun 22, 2005 8:05:48 GMT -5
Hm. Well, that fair defeats my point. Framed. Hangs above my bed. Heh.
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Post by Antenora on Jun 22, 2005 8:16:04 GMT -5
Okay. The picture of the actress, because of the context, is probably Beatrice. So maybe the picture of Beatrice at the end of the book was a picture of her with something or someone which gave a clue to her identity. Perhaps she was with the Baudelaire mother(whom I think is her twin sister) and father, and perhaps even the children. Or maybe she was holding the sugar bowl which Lemony had stolen, and this enabled someone to identify her.
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Post by Shelly on Jun 22, 2005 22:09:10 GMT -5
yeah, i agree with you!!!
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Post by Flaneur on Jun 30, 2005 16:39:17 GMT -5
But also remember that photographs are doubtful evidence, and not to be trusted in 100%. Remember the photo in the letter about the Little Snicket Lad: "If I can find it, I will paste a photograph on this paper of myself at the age I was taken. "If I can't find it, I will paste a photograph of someone else of more or less the same age." I think it's an interesting possibility that the other photographs in the book could be pasted in along those lines: substituting in for the actual pictures. So the picture of Beatrice may not actually be Beatrice, but a young woman of similar age and vocation.
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Post by lauren on Jul 3, 2005 4:59:39 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOO! *shakes head violently* Beatrice's identity is not suppose to be exposed!!! How could Daniel do such a thing!? But all signs point to that picture being her! Here are a few desperate attempts to argue that, that woman isn't Beatrice: -it could be one of the women who played the defenders of liberty who were replaced by the powdered faced women -it could be Esme Squalor (it never says how many performances she did) -that quote next to the picture may be reffering to Beatrice and not the picture -It's a picture taken in Ned H. Rirger theatre -Like Random said photographs are doubtful evidence I know these arguments arn't much but I seriously can't imagine Daniel giving Beatrice an identity By the way...Have we ever gotten a POV from Beatrice??? In the autobiography perhaps a letter, newspaper article etc? I forgot
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Post by Antenora on Jul 3, 2005 6:22:39 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything written by Beatrice in the autobiography. She remains mysterious and distant, which is Snicket's intention. I'd like to see some portion of the 200-page book she wrote to explain to Lemony why she couldn't marry him.
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Post by Dante on Jul 3, 2005 6:26:56 GMT -5
Indeed, I think that the only actual thing we know of which Beatrice ever said or wrote is "Where is Count Olaf?"
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 3, 2005 13:49:43 GMT -5
That last picture in AU I think it is that picture of Lemony, Jacques, and the Baudelaire parents. I think there was more than one copy. In the index it said Identity of Beatrice so I think that she is the mother Baudelaire.
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Post by trick on Jul 5, 2005 17:38:27 GMT -5
i believe that she was in the typed-out VFD meeting during which the schism occured. she's labelled B. i'm fairly certain that's her.
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