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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 22, 2012 3:20:38 GMT -5
Why are there candles in Aunt Josephine's house? Shouldn't she be afraid of fire? - Hey. Thats josephine all over,
--Chapter Five-- Not much to say here really. I Like mr poes awkwardness….
--Chapter Six--
Yet again, we have a suggestion that the bauds could run away.
--Chapter Seven--
I don’t get the whole baking story. It just seems unnecessary
--Chapter Eight--
Is the code a VFD Code?
The House falling is, well, a bit anticlimactic compared to the film
The Eagle - A VFD One maybe?
I'd like to apologise about MisterM's abscence. Im Issac. Hello!
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 22, 2012 16:07:14 GMT -5
Chapter 7:
- Mr. Poe wants a cup of coffee with nondairy creamer. Dairy. - Mr. Poe knows that the Baudelaires are upset because of Aunt Josephine's death. But shouldn't he think it's strange that Captain Sham is so happy before he tells him to be? It looks like he doesn't want to see that. Maybe he just wants to get rid of the children. - Violet puts the peppermints in her siblings' lap. That shoud remind us of WCTBATH.
Chapter 8:
- Sunny says „Gans“. That's the German word for goose. But I don't think it means anything. - I wouldn't hide a thing I don't want to see under my bed, because the thought of sleeping so close to it would be almost as bad as seeing it.
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Post by Dante on Nov 23, 2012 10:57:23 GMT -5
The Baudelaires finding Ike's portrait under the bed along with the other things Josephine didn't want to think about is one of the few moments in the series that genuinely makes me sad. It's really understated and a rare moment of non-melodramatic insight into the human condition, I think; one of the few things in the book that makes Josephine to me suddenly seem like a real person who deserves our sympathy.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 24, 2012 3:15:54 GMT -5
Oh yes, I feel sorry for Josephine really. The Bauds are too harsh on her at the end. She chooses between death or nobility, I probably would had done the same. Only to fool Olaf, and then would have saved the Bauds. Also, the ending is very ambiguous. It neither states that she died, or that she didn't. Just that they found her life jackets chewed on
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Post by Christmas Chief on Nov 24, 2012 16:31:05 GMT -5
Chapter 3: - Is „It always scared me“ really grammatically referring to the ankle? That's something not even I would have noticed... Additionally, her suggestion for improvement is hardly any better. While it eliminates the ambiguity as to what "it" is referring to, the repeated use of "tattoo" sounds redundant. We see this repeated in TSS when takes advantage of her lack of interpreters to poke fun at Olaf. Well-spotted bit of irony. This actually reminds me a bit of the Snicketmail for WCTBATH: "A question is like a telephone call. It's best not to answer it until you know who it's from." And a fairly rare one, too, but I suppose the Baudelaires haven't much time for bickering as they might have before the fire. - Mr. Poe wants a cup of coffee with nondairy creamer. Dairy. It took me a moment, but that's very good. Probably nothing to do with Mr. Poe himself, but I wouldn't be surprised if it made for a nice retcon later. The Baudelaires finding Ike's portrait under the bed along with the other things Josephine didn't want to think about is one of the few moments in the series that genuinely makes me sad. It's really understated and a rare moment of non-melodramatic insight into the human condition, I think; one of the few things in the book that makes Josephine to me suddenly seem like a real person who deserves our sympathy. I hadn't looked at it that way before, but the observation is quite true. The photograph is next to items characteristic of the Josephine we know from preceding chapters, but the picture of Ike reminds us there is another layer to Josephine, and by extension the story itself. It neither states that she died, or that she didn't. Just that they found her life jackets chewed on Regardless, I think there's a clear direction toward which the evidence points. Whether you take the destroyed life jackets as figurative imagery or literal life-saving devices, Josephine doesn't stand much a chance. The fact she never resurfaces throughout the rest of the series - if you'll forgive the pun - should be some indicator as to the direction of her fate.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 25, 2012 6:35:15 GMT -5
I think i might have to do scans of from the paperback books at another piont. I will do them, i just havent got the energy today.
--Chapter Nine--
The unknown gender person is very, er, monster-;like here I suppose. I don’t like it
--Chapter Ten--
I Love the Baudelaire’s sailing the boat. Its one moment I think the film missed out on. I would have liked to see this on screen
The Lavender Lighthouse sounds like an interesting name….
A Cave for sale? Who would buy it?
--Chapter Eleven--
Aunt Josephine;s oh no‘s. God. Id have elft her in the cave….
As if the Baudelaire’s were surrounded by people whispering secrets - which they are.
--Chapter Twelve--
I Believe Josephine isn’t dead. I really. Honestly . Do.
--Chapter Thirteen--
Count Olaf’s leg growing back is a fantastic thing to include.
The Ending of this book seems more sort, ot well, ending. Than others. You ca picture ti as a montage at the end of a film.
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 25, 2012 6:46:26 GMT -5
´Chapter 9:
- When Sunny steals the key we can see that she understands everything better than we think. - The person who looks neither like a man nor like a woman doesn't speak. That makes him or her more stupid and less human than he or she already is.
Chapter 10:
- Violet says that they have been looking at the Lake Lachrymose with Aunt Josephine's eyes and in the next sentence she picks up the spying glass, like picking up new eyes and looking through them. - The entrance of the cave is always called mouth and with the sound coming out of it it's more a monster than a cave.
Chapter 11:
- The cousin who burns ants is interesting, but I don't think it's someone we already know, at least not very well.
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Post by Christmas Chief on Nov 25, 2012 7:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by Kit's tits kick ticks on Nov 25, 2012 8:51:53 GMT -5
Chapter 12: - I liked Aunt Josephine until chapter 11, and at the beginning of chapter 11 I don't like her, but I still understand her. And when she corrects Olaf's grammar I like her again and I hope she's alive. - I think Sunny is the most useful here compared to the other books. Chapter 13: - The „my leg is back“ thing is so hilarious. And Mr. Poe's „Oh come now“s like he knew it all the time. - Mr. Poe says „This is no job for children“ when they want to run after Count Olaf. Very ironic if we already think about the next book...
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Post by theaquasprite on Nov 25, 2012 18:52:08 GMT -5
Chapter six: Mr. Poe's instance of competency made me think of how much worse he gets as things progress. Prior experiences are supposed to teach us, but not only does he not learn from them, he declines (to the point where he forgets Olaf's name.) Another small detail, but how did Mr. Poe know about the business card? I suppose it could be explained by an offscreen conversation, but unless they gave him a word-for-word description of how they found Olaf, I don't know how it'd come up.
On the rest of the book:
It's interesting how the relationship between Josephine and the orphans shift. When they find her, it's almost as if she's the child and they're the ones responsible for her.
Olaf says that his associate told him of the Baudelaires' theft, yet e never see him/her attempt to communicate.
I've always wondered why Sunny didn't just bite the peg leg in the first place. But then we wouldn't have this book if that happened, would we?
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Post by Dante on Nov 26, 2012 2:52:03 GMT -5
Another small detail, but how did Mr. Poe know about the business card? I suppose it could be explained by an offscreen conversation, but unless they gave him a word-for-word description of how they found Olaf, I don't know how it'd come up. I think it's evident that there's a bit of time missed between the end of Chapter Five and the start of Chapter Six, and given the situation, I don't find it surprising that the Baudelaires would've tried to tell Mr. Poe everything. But as the kind of man that he is, that Captain Sham introduced himself as a businessman is I think the sort of thing that Mr. Poe would remember.
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 26, 2012 3:20:34 GMT -5
So, thanks to Sherry Ann, i don't have to go through the long process of scanning images onto my computer, so we can move on to book 4!
First off. I Need to Apologize. I Haven’t Re-Read, and cant Re-read Book 4. As I cant find a copy. I don’t own a copy (and never have), and my library cant get a copy in time. So/ Im cheating. However, I do have notes from other re-reading that I will use. Hopefully this wont occur again, however its looking like I might have to do this for book 6. (Don’t worry. I’ve got all the others).
But, now, story time. Many years ago, I was shopping. In a shop. And I saw some books. (ASOUE). They looked interesting. There seemed to be about 9 or 10 books there. The One that really aught my eye was THH. The Cover really drew me in. But, I was a child so could not afford to buy the book. However, on my next visit to thr library. I stumbled across another book in this series - TMM. And I took it home. And read it. And loved it. So, as this was the first book I ever read, it always remained up in my top 5 UE books. Along with TSS, TPP, TB, and TVV. However. In recent years, its has fallen, and, I am sad to say, I really don’t like this book. At all. Ah well.
--(Roughly) Chapters 1-4--
This book has a rally strong start though. I love the train sequence/
This book sees the series starting to shift (but only slightly). I Believe Beatrice is tied into the Baudelaire story for the first time in this book, when lemony make reference to her mentioning olaf, but also, the further use of the eye outside of olaf, for the shape of Orwell’s office. It would be interesting to know exactly when handler decided upon vfd as a sub=plot. I expect it was around the time more books were contracted after the original 4, but would that have been before book 4 was written. If it was, then I expect handler definitely had vfd on his mind. For example - Dr Orwell. We never find out much about her, in this book, or later ones. And her role is unclear. Is she a friend of olafs, his associate, or another vfd member, or even a separate villain entirely? This is great untapped fanfic potential here.
The Stacks of daily punctilio archives - am I correct in thinking this is something to do with VFD? Im pretty sure it is. Anyway, the stuff in TUA seems like a neat little retcon.
Sirs name is something I would have liked answered in TPP or later. I think handler knew. Something clever. Something funny.
The smoke around Sir’s head is, well, impossible. Especially in TPP, where it seems to have a life of its own. But its clever. When reading the book for the first time, people might not realise Flafungdarko is the ‘olaf assistant’ for this book, and think ti could be sir, cue to the smoke (although it would be illogical. Assistant could just snatch the Baudelaires away. (Which in turn brings me to an idea I’ve been meaning to share. Why didn’t olaf try the idea of just disguising himself AS a guardian. Poe could deliver the children, poe being poe would not realise, olaf could escape with Baudelaires. Hooray! (Although one could say olaf has not realised poe was no longer keeping the Baudelaires with relatives (Although I don’t think he ever new that in the first place, as it was said after olaf has escaped in the car in TBB) ) ) ) . Although the first time reader would have to have not worked out the flafungdarko anagram. Also, this book technically has two olaf assistant roles - Orwell, and the bald man.
Wow. Only started and I’ve already down more than all of last week. And I havent read the book. Wow.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 26, 2012 3:28:25 GMT -5
I Believe Josephine isn’t dead. I really. Honestly . Do. Same here. It seems to be an unpopular opinion, but with an ending like that, I truly believe Handler wished to keep her as possibly alive
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Post by Isadora Is a Door on Nov 26, 2012 3:36:37 GMT -5
There will be more of this when we reach book 11.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 27, 2012 0:40:01 GMT -5
Why is that? I can't figure out your cryptic clue Mister MD
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