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Post by Dante on Feb 9, 2018 10:44:49 GMT -5
I definitely read it as being part of a process of ramping up the tension, showing how much more dangerous the story had become and what kind of a toll Olaf's pursuit of the Baudelaires was taking upon himself and those around him. I don't know if I would say I anticipated it as leading to a "3 vs. 1" situation with the Baudelaires and Olaf, though; on the one hand that's because Olaf picked up additional troupe members more or less at the same time as losing the second one, but the simple fact is, we did end up with a pure Baudelaires-vs.-Olaf situation, that's the kind of relationship they have in The End.
At the same time, I don't really regard any of the later troupe members as replacements. Esmé was something more like Olaf's equal and came along before the troupe members started dying off anyway, and Carmelita I felt was meant to be an addition to that kind of upper level of the troupe, of people with actual attachment to one another. What did feel like a retcon was the fact that Olaf was very keen on having Carmelita join him in TSS, and then in the very next book she and Esmé have really hit it off and Olaf can't stand either of them. It was a plausible turn of events, but it didn't feel like where TSS had been aiming. Fiona's just a satellite to Fernald - and even more so than the change in direction with Carmelita, it's hard to imagine for a second that her and Fernald's off-screen defection was planned in TGG, as there's not a hint of it. And the freaks are barely relevant tagalongs who illustrate a thematic point but always feel more like their own characters than they do Olaf's henchmen, and Olaf doesn't make even the slightest effort to make use of them at the end of TPP so he's clearly not interested either. The sinister duo are Olaf's superiors more than anything.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Feb 9, 2018 11:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by Dante on Feb 9, 2018 12:05:15 GMT -5
Well, that seems to settle it. I'm sure they can't all just be hanging around for no reason.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Feb 9, 2018 12:40:13 GMT -5
Well, that seems to settle it. I'm sure they can't all just be hanging around for no reason. In full makeup and costume no less. |
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Post by Grace on Feb 9, 2018 13:36:54 GMT -5
Nobody remembers that unofficial FAQ theory that the henchpeople were being killed off for an eventual mano-a-mano? That was damn near canon for a while, until Book 13 happened and it wasn't.
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Post by lastsafeplace on Feb 9, 2018 13:48:21 GMT -5
I do wonder when the henchpeople will eventually leave olaf, I'm guessing that it will happen as part of the greater TPP climax, so that Olaf can end up alone for The End.
Also- I can't believe they're already done TSS. I really hope season 3 comes out end of 2018.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Feb 9, 2018 15:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by mizbizsav on Feb 9, 2018 15:53:46 GMT -5
^ That is the coolest thing ever. Congrats! In this picture you can see a picture of the white-faced ladies in costumes. Plus what looks like a design for the VFD hats. We've already seen them on film, but still worth sharing! http://instagram.com/p/Be_R7fAHqsP |
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Post by Dante on Feb 9, 2018 16:24:40 GMT -5
So this was "the last day of filming for much of the troupe," was it? Taken in conjunction with the information on the previous page, that suggests that the majority of the troupe are actually departing in TSS. Fernald probably will still get carried away in the eagles' nets (or perhaps simply remain steadfast alone), but the obvious interpretation is that the bald man and the henchperson of indeterminate gender survive to this point and then also choose to give up on their wicked ways alongside the white-faced women. |
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Post by mortinson51 on Feb 9, 2018 17:19:52 GMT -5
since this is from matty cardarople'a birthday party. I feel like this could just be cast the getting back together. It could also very well be from season 2. they probally had a media band and could not put up info till now. Another thoery is They could also be filming flash back scenes.
It is weird but since it's all of them there and not one or two I really don't think all of the henchmen would survive. I really think we are reading too much into these. I am also guilty as charged. Just give us a trailer so we can freak out about that.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Feb 9, 2018 18:42:50 GMT -5
I mean they are all wearing full makeup and costumes which is probably a little bit much for a cast reunion. And we know it's from today because it's literally Matty Cardarople's birthday.
I think that going ahead, we are just simply going to have to accept that the series is going to diverge farther and farther from the books.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Feb 10, 2018 2:18:29 GMT -5
Considering how likeable the troupe members are portrayed to be (they could easily have been portrayed as thoroughly unpleasant) and because they often go around as one group, rather than split up like in the books, it seems appropriate for the series to develop them as one unit that leaves as such and changes their ways together. While Fernald had individual focus in TMM and has his own character dynamic with Olaf, paving the way for individual development.
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Post by gliquey on Feb 10, 2018 3:29:21 GMT -5
On the topic of the Snow Scouts leader - is it possible Carmelita could be in charge, with no adults present? Considering how likeable the troupe members are portrayed to be (they could easily have been portrayed as thoroughly unpleasant) and because they often go around as one group, rather than split up like in the books, it seems appropriate for the series to develop them as one unit that leaves as such and changes their ways together. While Fernald had individual focus in TMM and has his own character dynamic with Olaf, paving the way for individual development. This concerns me. I felt one of the big flaws of the first season was the homogeneity of the troupe - other than Fernald, as you say, they all appeared together and though this gave them each more screentime, I think it made them stand out less. Not killing them off one by one would exacerbate this issue. Though maybe Fernald and The Person Who Looks Like Neither a Man Nor a Woman would have distinct personalities from the rest, they are all merging together. I don't think I'd be able to list them all from the first season had I not read the books. If they're not removing anyone from the troupe until TSS, things are going to be very, very crowded in Olaf's car up the Mortmain Mountains. Though actually I could be convinced that sparing the henchpeople until TSS would be worth it if the scenes there are heavily comedic about there being 10 troupe members (plus Sunny) living in very tight living quarters and getting in each other's way. |
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Post by MisterM on Feb 10, 2018 3:53:23 GMT -5
sthey probally had a media band I love the idea of the henchpeople forming a band |
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Post by Dante on Feb 10, 2018 4:42:36 GMT -5
This concerns me. I felt one of the big flaws of the first season was the homogeneity of the troupe - other than Fernald, as you say, they all appeared together and though this gave them each more screentime, I think it made them stand out less. Not killing them off one by one would exacerbate this issue. Though maybe Fernald and The Person Who Looks Like Neither a Man Nor a Woman would have distinct personalities from the rest, they are all merging together. I don't think I'd be able to list them all from the first season had I not read the books. If they're not removing anyone from the troupe until TSS, things are going to be very, very crowded in Olaf's car up the Mortmain Mountains. Though actually I could be convinced that sparing the henchpeople until TSS would be worth it if the scenes there are heavily comedic about there being 10 troupe members (plus Sunny) living in very tight living quarters and getting in each other's way. The issue of how they would all fit inside the car occurred to me, too, and was in fact the major reason why I doubted at first that the troupe members would be continuing for longer in the Netflix version... but I really like the idea of them all being crammed uncomfortably together. There's a certain amount of that in TSS anyway, recalling their bickering when they got up in the morning. I also feel it's a little inconsistent to criticise the Netflix series for failing to make the troupe members distinct, when they had virtually no individual personality in the books either. For instance, how many lines did the white-faced women get in the entire series up to, say, TCC? Two? |
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