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Post by Esmé's meme is meh on Apr 27, 2018 9:14:26 GMT -5
After their brief and weird interaction in THH, I assume Mr. Poe will hire Babs as his new secretary, which kinda makes sense considering how they dealt with Jacquelyn's plot and how her participation was reduced to give more space and screen time to Olivia.
I also am pretty sure the rest of the characters are not appearing on Then End for all the reasons listed before.
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 27, 2018 9:21:05 GMT -5
Are books not filmed per month? If so, two weeks is the time all other episodes get. I don't imagine including an extra 15 minutes or so (if they make the episode longer than others) in the final cut would be an impossible stretch.
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Apr 27, 2018 9:23:25 GMT -5
Yes, if I remember correctly Babs even made a comment about working as a secretary. The photos could be old, a lot of this is confusing. I also thought about Larry replacing Phil to be a cook on the Queequeg. and I believe it is possible. Does Avi's presence in Larry's last day photo mean anything for a return of Isadora on screen?
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Apr 27, 2018 9:51:45 GMT -5
Please examine the following exchange: 19. You've said you had to change your plan because of the line from The Bad Beginning, "Klaus read through Count Olaf's papers and books." What would have happened differently if you had never written this line, and what were the Baudelaires going to find? - DanteEarly research indicated that the Baudelaires had stopped at Count Olaf’s home on the way to the island, and discovered there, rather than beneath the roots of the apple tree, certain materials described in The End. Further investigation, including the sentence you cited, made it clear that this was most certainly not what could have happened. No rumour here; my question was derived from a statement he made in an interview. Do we think that Larry could replace Phil in TGG, which explains how he could end up with the Quagmires et al. Maybe he washes up on the island with Kit? I have been seriously considering the possibility that Larry could replace Phil in TGG, though I think it's equally possible that Phil could be replaced by nobody, as his presence doesn't alter the plot much and Handler completely forgets about him after that book. I looked over the book recently to investigate this, and I'm actually not sure who exactly Widdershins is including in his description of the Queequeg's famous "Crew of Two" - does the captain not count, or Fiona because she's family? It's easy to see how you could knock Phil out and concentrate more on the family angle; Phil was only really there because Handler was enjoying bringing back minor characters at the time. Thank you very much Dante. As to whether or not Phil will re-appear I suspect we may not have a definitive answer for quite some time. However, if you look at the back of this writing board, one of the index cards does say "Re-meet Phil". I was browsing through the archived files on my computer, and I noticed that I had saved this image months ago and completely forgotten about it. It's from one of the writers of seasons 2 and 3. I didn't think it was that important at the time, but when I looked at it now, I decided to take a closer look at the chart in the back. And while it's very blurry it looks like a story beat board for the Grim Grotto part one. I can make out the words "Lemony...ruins of Anwhistle Aquatics", "the Carmelita captures the (Baudelaires)", "...about the beast" and "mushrooms appear, they flee". Can anyone make out the rest ?  |
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Post by Grace on Apr 27, 2018 10:08:36 GMT -5
"Crew of two" is so frustrating! But probably can't be taken literally most of the time(?).
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Apr 27, 2018 10:56:35 GMT -5
Oooh. I really hope that notecard doesn't say anything about a "beast." If they make the Great Unknown explicitly the Bombinating Beast... I might cry Why? |
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 27, 2018 11:19:09 GMT -5
Oooh. I really hope that notecard doesn't say anything about a "beast." If they make the Great Unknown explicitly the Bombinating Beast... I might cry Why? My dude. It is literally called The Great Unknown. Yeah, I'm on the same boat. ATWQ can imply as heavily as it wants that TGU is the Bombinating Beast, but for the purposes of ASOUE, I would be mortified if they just out and said so. |
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Apr 27, 2018 11:21:09 GMT -5
My dude. It is literally called The Great Unknown. Yeah, I'm on the same boat. ATWQ can imply as heavily as it wants that TGU is the Bombinating Beast, but for the purposes of ASOUE, I would be mortified if they just out and said so. Hm, I see. I guess from my perspective… I'd rather it remained unknown, but since we know it's most probably a large Bombinating Beast per ATWQ, the mystique is just gone already and trying to keep the suspense would come across as clinging to the ashes of a home and expecting to live in it. |
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 27, 2018 11:29:18 GMT -5
My dude. It is literally called The Great Unknown. Yeah, I'm on the same boat. ATWQ can imply as heavily as it wants that TGU is the Bombinating Beast, but for the purposes of ASOUE, I would be mortified if they just out and said so. Hm, I see. I guess from my perspective… I'd rather it remained unknown, but since we know it's most probably a large Bombinating Beast per ATWQ, the mystique is just gone already and trying to keep the suspense would come across as clinging to the ashes of a home and expecting to live in it. I'm not opposed to the explicit portrayal of The Great Unknown because I want there to still be fan theories and mystery surrounding it, I'm opposed to the explicit portrayal of The Great Unknown because I think that would be a betrayal of its symbolic role in the story. The Baudelaires choose to leave the island and brave The Great Unknown, and their fate is left ambiguous- The Great Unknown is more than just a sea monster. Yes, literally, it probably is a bombinating Beast, but it is also so much more than that in ASOUE's narrative. The Great Unknown is life, and by extention, death. It's the great mixed salad of misery and joy that awaits us all, and it is neither good nor bad. It's incredibly dangerous, yet living in fear of it leads to stagnation and decay just the same. It's an essential part of living a full life. All of that is true of The Great Unknown. Only some of that is true for The Bombinating Beast. That's why I really hope they leave it as a symbol. |
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 27, 2018 11:32:07 GMT -5
I can't really make out anything more than you did, other than the word 'Olaf' and I *think* 'Jacques', but I'm not sure about that one.
Regarding the Beast reference -- it may just be some analogy or aside spoken by Lemony, like the whole belly of the beast thing. Hopefully it won't explicitly show TGU to be a Bombinating Beast.
EDIT: I think it says something like 'OLAF: And ?now? Baudelaires, I have you!'
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Post by Dante on Apr 27, 2018 11:57:43 GMT -5
There is literally only one way they could even begin to hint that the Great Unknown was really the Bombinating Beast without convincing me that Handler had lost touch with his own work: If they disguised the buzzing as TV static on the radar - and better yet, on the fourth wall as well.
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Post by Agathological on Apr 27, 2018 12:37:42 GMT -5
I tweeted Chris G. a while back; he has confirmed that Phil is in GG.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Apr 27, 2018 13:47:31 GMT -5
Yeah. I just scrolled through his account and found this tweet from less than a month ago.
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Post by mortinson51 on Apr 27, 2018 15:37:55 GMT -5
I don't know if I'm being too optimistic but 2 weeks can preduce alot of footage in the film world. Your working 10 hour day plus a lot of time you go over that. They could also be doing 6 days a week. Since the island is a smaller location then the last book this will allow them to move faster. They won't need to jump around between locations as much.
If you split the month in half that's 2 weeks. My guess is the episode will be around the hour mark. For me I don't really need a a 2 hour version of the end, as long as they get the tone right I will be happy.
For the most part I have really enjoyed this show. I still have faith.
As for The Great Unknown it's hard to represent an unknown on a visual medium. By it's nature once you show something it becomes known. I think there are ways to have TGU still work. You could play it in a very similar way to Jaws. You know it's out there but you don't know where. You could catch a glimpse of its eye and Then it's gone. I think they can make it work.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Apr 27, 2018 16:39:01 GMT -5
You could catch a glimpse of its eye Well, that would already confirm it's an animal. From just reading the book, it seems equally plausible that it's some sort of submarine. |
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