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Post by Dante on Apr 7, 2018 3:05:00 GMT -5
It hadn't occurred to me that the déjà vu joke and Queen Debbie were omitted; I regret the latter, but I can see that it may not have suited the tone of the Netflix adaptation. Déjà vu seems like it might be possible to slot in somewhere else, though, in much the same way as a number of jokes and definitions appear to have been shuffled around in the adaptation.
I haven't mentioned it yet, but I really enjoyed how they slipped in Fernald's backstory and disguised it as a joke.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 7, 2018 4:53:36 GMT -5
I also missed the Queen Debbie story, though I agree that it may have felt out of place. But I did enjoy it in the book, and I think it would have been a great opportunity for more deadpan Lemony.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 7, 2018 4:55:17 GMT -5
Oh oh oh and yes I was also delighted they included the job interview monologue! Nice comparison to The Princess Bride, Shelly, I hadn't considered the similarity before.
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Post by sᴍᴏᴋᴇ sɪɢɴᴀʟs on Apr 7, 2018 23:29:19 GMT -5
finally watched ep 10! i have a lot of thoughts, but ill spare you all and just leave these two:
-i second everybodies opinions on lucy punch as esme. she is fantastic and absolutely wicked!
- the "my first time was hard too" scene, where olaf grabs violets hand and forces the two to set the fire, was the most terrifying for me out of both the episodes. his treachery masquerading as sympathy, i suppose. just amazing!
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Post by beatriceblake on Apr 8, 2018 12:21:58 GMT -5
finally watched ep 10! i have a lot of thoughts, but ill spare you all and just leave these two: -i second everybodies opinions on lucy punch as esme. she is fantastic and absolutely wicked! - the "my first time was hard too" scene, where olaf grabs violets hand and forces the two to set the fire, was the most terrifying for me out of both the episodes. his treachery masquerading as sympathy, i suppose. just amazing! I loved that scene as well, it was so messed up.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 8, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -5
I didn't think about it before and I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but I'm wondering if it's significant that they've put them in the Gift Caravan instead of the Freak's Caravan -- maybe the figurine with the evidence inside it will play a role in season 3?
Oh and I also wanted to add to the whole 'Baudelaires considering killing Count Olaf' thing that I actually do regard the way the Baudelaires consider pushing Olaf overboard in TE to be the product of a life or death situation, at least to an extent. It's certainly not as frantic or immediate a threat as the part in CC when they're very nearly made to jump to the lions, but still, they're in an awful situation and Olaf does threaten to kill them with the Medusoid Mycelium (although as they point out to him, he would also be poisoned if he released it), so I think it was still life and death really, or certainly close to it. Predicting what Olaf will do from one moment to the next would be a terrifying and awful situation to be in and he certainly posed a significant threat to their lives.
All that said, though, I wish they hadn't changed TCC to make it seem like they were intending to push Olaf to the lions. I preferred the mass confusion they created in the book, and though I totally understand why they might consider pushing Olaf to the lions, they simply didn't think like that in the book so I wish they hadn't changed that, though thankfully they didn't put much emphasis on it.
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Post by mizbizsav on Apr 8, 2018 16:27:45 GMT -5
On the film the Baudelaires find, we see a quick glimpse of the day the famous Lucky Smells photograph was taken - and the photographer tells the newlyweds to smile. Wonder who that could be? The Baudelaires? The Quagmires? The Anwhistles? I didn't think about it before and I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but I'm wondering if it's significant that they've put them in the Gift Caravan instead of the Freak's Caravan -- maybe the figurine with the evidence inside it will play a role in season 3? I had that thought, too! Given how the show has expanded upon smaller and mysterious details (like Mrs. Bass robbing the bank), I almost expected there to be a reference. They won't have much time to investigate (that caravan's about to careen off a cliff), but I will be delightfully surprised and impressed if they mention it in season 3!
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Apr 8, 2018 17:03:30 GMT -5
I preferred the mass confusion they created in the book, and though I totally understand why they might consider pushing Olaf to the lions, they simply didn't think like that in the book so I wish they hadn't changed that, though thankfully they didn't put much emphasis on it. I love me some mass confusion, but I will say--I feel that the Baudelaires' character development just has to happen a little more QUICKLY in the show because of how we consume it. The books came out gradually over time, and we have more time to sit with their decisions. The show, however, is presented all at once, and for them to not develop very much would make them seem stagnant. Since this is season 2, it's good to have them have a twist of character right at the end that can inform decisions in season 3! Not trying to prove you wrong, of course! Just ~~~digging deeper.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 8, 2018 18:49:57 GMT -5
I preferred the mass confusion they created in the book, and though I totally understand why they might consider pushing Olaf to the lions, they simply didn't think like that in the book so I wish they hadn't changed that, though thankfully they didn't put much emphasis on it. I love me some mass confusion, but I will say--I feel that the Baudelaires' character development just has to happen a little more QUICKLY in the show because of how we consume it. The books came out gradually over time, and we have more time to sit with their decisions. The show, however, is presented all at once, and for them to not develop very much would make them seem stagnant. Since this is season 2, it's good to have them have a twist of character right at the end that can inform decisions in season 3! Not trying to prove you wrong, of course! Just ~~~digging deeper. No no, of course! There's nothing wrong with a different perspective, and I totally see your point -- I don't even really disagree, actually. It's one of those things where on the one hand I know I prefer the book, but on the other hand I do understand that this is a different format and allowances have to be made for that. I think your point about introducing this depth of moral uncertainty in season 2 is a good one -- if they didn't introduce it before season 3 it might have felt all rather crammed in and abrupt when season 3 comes out -- especially to people who haven't read the books.
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Apr 8, 2018 18:54:59 GMT -5
On the film the Baudelaires find, we see a quick glimpse of the day the famous Lucky Smells photograph was taken - and the photographer tells the newlyweds to smile. Wonder who that could be? The Baudelaires? The Quagmires? The Anwhistles? I didn't think about it before and I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but I'm wondering if it's significant that they've put them in the Gift Caravan instead of the Freak's Caravan -- maybe the figurine with the evidence inside it will play a role in season 3? I had that thought, too! Given how the show has expanded upon smaller and mysterious details (like Mrs. Bass robbing the bank), I almost expected there to be a reference. They won't have much time to investigate (that caravan's about to careen off a cliff), but I will be delightfully surprised and impressed if they mention it in season 3! I was wondering if maybe, before the caravan goes over the edge, they'll grab some items from it, like they do in the book, only in this version perhaps they'll happen to pick up the figurine ... There have also been suggestions that it could be the Bombinating Beast statue, so maybe we'll see some ATWQ references, who knows? In regards to the Lucky Smells photo -- I totally didn't notice that! I'll have to go back and check to see if any of the couples noticeably smile afterwards.
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Post by Dante on Apr 15, 2018 3:49:14 GMT -5
I think that, if they were planning on including the figurine barely-subplot, they would have had enough hints about it in TCC as filmed. In the original book, there are more references to the figurines than you might expect, but we don't notice them because we are only informed afterwards of their importance. In the Netflix version, I don't think we get any allusions to the figurines at all.
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Apr 24, 2018 21:14:46 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed on Netflix all the episodes are The ____ _____ except TCC is just " Carnivorous Carnival"?
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Post by Mr. Dent on Apr 25, 2018 7:02:28 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed on Netflix all the episodes are The ____ _____ except TCC is just " Carnivorous Carnival"? I assume it's a mistake. They also goofed and made the first two episodes of season one "A Bad Beginning." No clue why this has happened more than once with such an obviously glossy show?
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Post by Liam R. Findlay on Apr 25, 2018 7:16:25 GMT -5
I have a feeling that filling in the episode titles are one of the last things they do when completing an episode, perhaps at a stage when deadlines are tight and there's less time to check for mistakes/the material passes through fewer people who might notice.
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Post by doetwin on Apr 28, 2018 1:23:59 GMT -5
The Cons:
*In the books, Olivia was the reason for all the horrible things the Baudelaires had gone through prior to TCC(at-least in TWW, TAA, and TVV). Those things were still entirely Olaf's fault, but Olivia gave him the tools that allowed him to perform said treachery. I've always considered her to be the Wormtail of ASOUE, and changing it so that Olivia had always been innocent seemed like too major a plot-point to change. And was the I only one who was confused as to why she waste timed on the diving-board standing up to Count Olaf instead of jumping and hurrying after the Baudelaires after she pushed them to safety?
*It's an unfortunate point that in both the book and the show, the audience members at the carnival considered the freaks sub-human, and that there nothing wrong with feeding them to lions. In the book, there was so much commotion around the lion pit that it really was impossible to blame anyone for Olivia's and the Bald Man's deaths. In the show, however, an entire crowd witnessed Cound Olaf(who had accidentally let his real name slip but successfully covered it up by saying he was a different "Count Olaf" than the one who was supposedly murdered) deliberately sever the rope to the diving board, sending Olivia(who was not a freak and therefore not considered sub-human) to her death, and nobody pointed so much as a finger at him. I wouldn't have thought it possible, but at this point, the stupidity of the adults has become more unrealistic than it was in the books.
*Since Count Olaf literally pretty much physically forced Violet and Klaus to set the fortune-telling tent on fire, there's no reason for them to feel as guilty about it as they did in the book.
The Pros:
*So far in this show, Lemony Snicket has told a lot of the same personal stories that he told in the book. However, he didn't tell us about the night that Beatrice was dressed up as a dragon-fly; he showed us, without narrating once, and I thought that worked beautifully. It was really interesting to see Snicket talking to other characters instead of the audience for once. Also, when I read TSS, I really felt for the Baudelaires when they discovered that headquarters had been burned down, mainly because it sounded like it had been a magnificent place, and the Baudelaires never got to see it. Being able to see the actual head-quarters in the show was more that I would have hoped for.
*Despite my complaints about Olivia, I was glad that she didn't give away the Baudelaires' disguises to Count Olaf and that the pushed Violet and Klaus to safety when she was ordered to feed them to the lions. The latter made her death far more heroic. As for the former, I felt Count Olaf figuring out for himself that the new freaks were actually the Baudelaires made him seem more clever and dangerous, a characteristic which I feel had been lacking a lot.
*Olivia's death was exceptionally chilling the way it was presented in the show. Her look of shock and horror as she was falling, in addition to her fall being shown in slow motion, sent cold shivers down my spine.
*I will admit that I thought Netflix might include Violet and Klaus escaping from the caravan in TCCP2(just like they had the Baudelaires arrive at PP in TMMP2), but I have so much respect for them for avoiding this temptation and ending it exactly where the book ended- on a literal cliff-hanger. This means that viewers who haven't read the books are going to be wondering for at-least a year how and if the two older Baudelaires survived.
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