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Post by veryfakedonkey on Jul 4, 2018 11:19:17 GMT -5
Rereading The Grim Grotto I realized Fiona says Fernald always played cards when he was bored, which I related to the card game with Sunny in the show. I think that foreshadowing can increase the reveal of Fernald being Fiona's brother.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 4, 2018 16:52:19 GMT -5
There is a reference to the HHM playing cards in the books of TSS as well ('I like to keep something to amuse me, like a deck of cards or a large rock'), so the book series has this foreshadowing as well.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jul 7, 2018 12:59:00 GMT -5
I think they'll probably play up Anwhistle Aquatics a lot more, possibly even showing it at various points in its history, given the significance it has to the backstories of Fernald, The Medusoid Mycelium, and the schism that led to Beatrice and Bertrand leaving the Island. I just remembered this image of the Grim Grotto: Part One's story outline which I posted in the season 3 thread last year. One of the cards in the back looks like it says "Lemony stands in the ruins of Anwhistle Aquatics" so it seems likely we'll see it on screen at least once. :Edit: I can make out what's written on a couple of the other cards, but not all. Does anybody else here have an idea of what they might say?
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Jul 7, 2018 16:31:53 GMT -5
Jacques or Jacquelyn meet ___? Meet Phil? Mushrooms appear, they flee Olaf and Esme give... Initial of Hotel Quagmire something
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jul 7, 2018 17:12:41 GMT -5
The three cards in the second column (that aren't blocked by the cat's head) seem to read:
---TELLS THE --- ABOUT THE BEAST
THE CARMELITA CAPTURES THE QUEEQUEG
OLAF --- BAUDELAIRES! I HAVE YOU!
And the second to last card says: MUSHROOMS APPEAR/THEY FLEE
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Post by mizbizsav on Jul 7, 2018 18:41:26 GMT -5
Jacques or Jacquelyn meet ___? Meet Phil? Mushrooms appear, they flee Olaf and Esme give... Initial of Hotel Quagmire something I see a J, too, but it has to be, "Baudelaires meet the crew of the Queequeg", right? Underneath, it says, "Klaus + Fiona". Then "Re-meet Phil". Lastly on that card, I see "Intro to submarine ____" First card, second column, possibly it says, "Fiona and others ____ about the beast". On which cards do you see Esme, Hotel, and Quagmire? EDIT: On the Lemony card, I see "water cycles" in quotation marks. Can't wait for all those who hated that part of TGG to have to relive it in the show.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Jul 7, 2018 19:23:10 GMT -5
Given the scant information we can glean from these cards, it seems likely that the Grim Grotto has been restructured quite significantly:
- It now opens with Lemony Snicket narrating from Anwhistle Aquatic's ruins.
- The Baudelaires start off the episode by meeting the crew of the Queegueg, which might mean that the show has either shifted their journey down the Stricken Stream to The Slippery Slope: Part Two or equally likely, simply removed it because of changes to the plot of TSS.
- (Fiona?) tells the (Baudelaires?) about "The Beast" which could potentially be a major departure from the books.
- The Queegueg now gets captured by the Carmelita about a quarter into TGG, when in the book it happened about three-quarters through.
- The description of the episode's cliffhanger is quite close to what happens about halfway through the book, but this too will have to be at least a little bit different, given the changes that have come before it.
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Jul 7, 2018 21:50:28 GMT -5
Didn’t someone on the show say they just finished an episode with a sea creature? I think they could be making the Great Unknown a more beastly figure than mysterious, but still scary.
Maybe the Baudelaires find the periscope at the end of TSS2 and it ends with “Enter Baudelaires” maybe But probably not
And as for the water cycle I find it hilarious and don’t hate it.
As for the 1/4 vs 3/4 maybe they will go for the Sugar Bowl later, but that’s confusing to how Widdershins will dissapear and such. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
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Post by Dante on Jul 8, 2018 3:27:36 GMT -5
I think it's certainly possible that the plot of TGG has the potential to be rearranged, reshuffled. Consider the possibility that Olaf, for example, captures the Queequeg and effectively holds Widdershins to ransom in exchange for the Baudelaires and Fiona entering Gorgonian Grotto to retrieve the sugar bowl. Widdershins's plotline from the books could do with some reworking; he mysteriously vanishes, we never find out exactly why and he ends up doing a lot of things it's not clear he actually particularly needed to vanish for - and then there's the way the story just flat-out forgets about Phil. There's room for manoeuvre.
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Post by ryantrimble457 on Jul 8, 2018 12:38:53 GMT -5
Not a prediction, but I am curious to see how they do chapter 14. Will they go the Deathly Hallows route and age up Liam and Malina, or get new people to play them?
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Post by Dante on Jul 8, 2018 16:25:30 GMT -5
I mean, it only takes place one year later, so the Baudelaires wouldn't look much older - save perhaps for Sunny. But I would imagine all they would really need to do is take fewer pains to make the actors look consistent with their appearances in the first episodes.
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Post by the panopticountolaf on Jul 9, 2018 12:06:02 GMT -5
I really would like to see some more building on the VFD lore in this season - maybe some backstory on the spyglasses and their origins, some flashbacks to the poison dart incident pre - TPP, maybe even do something similar to the parents twist from Season 1 and have Lemony receiving letters from a Beatrice throughout TSS, TGG, and TPP and then in the last episode, reveal there were two Beatrices? And although it might be considered taking the path of the movie, maybe sometime during TE (potentially when they discover A Series Of Unfortunate Events, or maybe Kit could give it to them in place of R's ring) the Baudelaires could receive a complete spyglass, although this seems a bit out of keeping with the series' ending, where there is almost no closure.
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Post by A comet crashing into Earth on Jul 10, 2018 11:46:55 GMT -5
I really would like to see some more building on the VFD lore in this season - maybe some backstory on the spyglasses and their origins, some flashbacks to the poison dart incident pre - TPP, maybe even do something similar to the parents twist from Season 1 and have Lemony receiving letters from a Beatrice throughout TSS, TGG, and TPP and then in the last episode, reveal there were two Beatrices? And although it might be considered taking the path of the movie, maybe sometime during TE (potentially when they discover A Series Of Unfortunate Events, or maybe Kit could give it to them in place of R's ring) the Baudelaires could receive a complete spyglass, although this seems a bit out of keeping with the series' ending, where there is almost no closure. I like the idea of us seeing Lemony receive young Beatrice's letters throughout the season, especially as we know that happened, anyway - it might as well be while he's telling this story. As for the spyglass, I think it would be, in lack of a better phrase, satisfyingly unsatisfying to see the Baudelaires almost, but ultimately not, receiving their own spyglass. That would really emphasize the intentional lack of closure.
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Post by veryferociousdrama on Jul 10, 2018 12:15:00 GMT -5
I really would like to see some more building on the VFD lore in this season - maybe some backstory on the spyglasses and their origins, some flashbacks to the poison dart incident pre - TPP, maybe even do something similar to the parents twist from Season 1 and have Lemony receiving letters from a Beatrice throughout TSS, TGG, and TPP and then in the last episode, reveal there were two Beatrices? And although it might be considered taking the path of the movie, maybe sometime during TE (potentially when they discover A Series Of Unfortunate Events, or maybe Kit could give it to them in place of R's ring) the Baudelaires could receive a complete spyglass, although this seems a bit out of keeping with the series' ending, where there is almost no closure. Maybe the children inherit either Kit's or Olaf's (if he has one)?
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Post by Foxy on Jul 17, 2018 10:05:30 GMT -5
Ooh, Limeny's idea of Lemony receiving young Beatrice's letters would be an awesome incorporation of "The Beatrice Letters."
At some point, I really hope they start getting rid of the henchmen. However, since they did not get rid of the man who looks like neither a man nor a woman or the bald man with the long nose, I think they will wind up keeping all the henchmen at least until the end of TPP. I wonder if they will make a significant change and have all the henchmen on the boat with Olaf and the Baudelaires in TE. But I don't think they will. That is too big a change, even though they have shown they are willing to make some big changes.
I think in TSS there are going to be a lot of funny lines from Sunny making fun of Olaf, even more than what is in the book. They seem to have added a lot more humor into the Netflix version. Maybe they will show more background of the headquarters? I know they kind of already did that with the party with Beatrice as the dragonfly. I think in TGG the mushrooms are probably going to be very lively and terrifying, maybe behaving more like animals than fungi. My conjecture about TPP is more people will survive than in the book, where everything was left ambiguous. I also think if they do a musical sequence in the third season, it will be in TPP. But I have no guesses about TE yet. I am working on rereading the back half of the series, and I am only on TCC. Maybe once I get through more of the books, I will have some more ideas. I love reading everyone else's ideas, though! You guys are very creative.
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