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Post by anestissnicket on Sept 23, 2018 11:32:22 GMT -5
I think the Bruce character will stay Bruce just as a new character that didn't take away reptiles. Daniel Handler did a live Facebook video around April/May 2016 where he said they were currently writing the script for TSS. He was asked what his favorite character in the series is to which he replied Bruce, who, unfortunately, won't be in the series.
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Post by veryfakedonkey on Sept 23, 2018 19:03:09 GMT -5
I'd have to see again to be sure, and I can't find it but I watched on an Instagram livestream (which I'm pretty sure the person reads these) had a possible script for TGG and it seemed like there wouldn't be Captain Widdershins.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Sept 23, 2018 23:09:35 GMT -5
I'd have to see again to be sure, and I can't find it but I watched on an Instagram livestream (which I'm pretty sure the person reads these) had a possible script for TGG and it seemed like there wouldn't be Captain Widdershins. From what I've heard, the scenes sent out to actors auditioning for Fiona did mention Captain Widdershins vanishing, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that: A) These were just a couple of scenes from the script for one episode B) Not even a real script, just one made up for auditions like the Klaus and Violet ones from 2015. C) Captain Widdershins does disappear in TGG, along with Phil and a "mysterious woman". so until we hear otherwise, I think it would probably be safest not to jump the gun on this.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 24, 2018 8:11:25 GMT -5
I'd have to see again to be sure, and I can't find it but I watched on an Instagram livestream (which I'm pretty sure the person reads these) had a possible script for TGG and it seemed like there wouldn't be Captain Widdershins. From what I've heard, the scenes sent out to actors auditioning for Fiona did mention Captain Widdershins vanishing, but I think it's worth keeping in mind that: A) These were just a couple of scenes from the script for one episode B) Not even a real script, just one made up for auditions like the Klaus and Violet ones from 2015. C) Captain Widdershins does disappear in TGG, along with Phil and a "mysterious woman". so until we hear otherwise, I think it would probably be safest not to jump the gun on this. As much as I find Captain Widdershins very, very annoying, he is an important character to TGG. A HUGE turning point in Fiona's character is when the children come back to the Queequeg to find Widdershins and Phil gone, and she begins to act just like her step father. Her abrupt change in character wouldn't make much sense if Widdershins was never around to begin with.
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Sept 24, 2018 9:29:43 GMT -5
Actually, I heard that script too. Keeping in mind it’s not a final script I’m not taking it too meaningfully. It was interesting as it sounded like Fiona was a mix of before and after they go for the Sugar Bowl. She was welcoming and saying aye and that she likes mushrooms, but also yelling “aye! Listen to me cause I’m the captain now”. I really think these are just different parts and Widdershins will still be in it. By the way, anyone else think that portrait in the book the cast got could be him?
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Post by Strangely on Sept 24, 2018 10:02:32 GMT -5
I just don't see them doing away with the character completely. For as many changes as the show has made I don't think they've ditched any of the 'guardian' characters so far.
Too, I'm not sure I see a logical purpose to write him out. Usually when they make changes there's a reason for it.
And it would be weird for Fiona to be piloting a submarine by herself, she'd have to have a crew of some sort.
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Post by Dante on Sept 24, 2018 11:38:43 GMT -5
I've heard about casting scripts like that. They take elements from across the full range of a story in order for the actor to demonstrate how they'll perform each particular aspect of their character.
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Post by gothicarchiesfan on Sept 24, 2018 12:01:35 GMT -5
I found a couple of audition tapes actors auditioning to be Fiona uploaded online,
I'm not sure how much (if any) of these scripts will make it into the final episodes, but after listening to them I am starting to come around to the possibility that Captain Widdershins might not appear in TGG. After all, we know other faux-guardians like Bruce have been cut. [/span]
I also think it's interesting that the script specifically mentions her pointing to a portrait of her missing father in a scene where she and the Baudelaires are together because that would match the Queegueg set photos as seen in the crew book.
Plus, the idea of a young girl captaining a submarine is quite absurd but also exactly the kind of absurdity that tends to be the norm for these books. I'm still not convinced either way though, and I'll need some more information before I can make any kind of judgement.
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Post by Dante on Sept 24, 2018 12:38:58 GMT -5
Interesting. The casting scripts do appear to be written to the premise that Captain Widdershins isn't in TGG at all; and while I can't claim to be an expert, if he was still in the story it seems unlikely they'd give out an audition script which didn't require the candidates to demonstrate how they'd perform their relationship to an on-screen Widdershins. Looking over those photographs from the cast and crew art book, they have photographs through TSS and TGG but there's no Widdershins there, either. I might be convinced. Widdershins being cut is a pretty big change; I can't think of any other genuinely major character who was just written out like that. Phil I could understand (and while I just skimmed the videos then I don't get the impression that he's in, either); perhaps they just don't want to deal with the fact that his subplot never really goes anywhere? The plot of TGG still works very well without him, but it changes Fiona's character; her breakdown when he disappears, the urgency which drives her from that point. It might be possible to replace them. Perhaps if they find a message or some other clue from him in Gorgonian Grotto; or maybe when they return to the submarine? Or maybe they don't return to the Queequeg, maybe they're captured straight from the exit from Gorgonian Grotto... Very interesting.
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Post by imlarryyourwaiter on Sept 24, 2018 13:13:13 GMT -5
This is all really interesting and there are a lot of ways this could go. I’m pretty sure the actor for Phil said he would be in Season 3, but even that could just be appearing at Hotel D. Fernald in Season 2 questioned if he should call Fiona and if his step-father would pick up, and although it’s possible he just doesn’t know, I don’t think the writers would include a line specifically about the stepfather if he was not going to be included. There also might just be a reunion later on. We’ll have to wait and see.
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Post by countadrian on Sept 24, 2018 14:28:41 GMT -5
Wow, that is a major change, but an interesting one...
It would definitely make the Klaus and Fiona relationship much more sharp and complicated... It’s true that in the books, Fiona’s betrayal was too sudden. Here it would make more sense for Fiona to get with Fernald after being in a long way expecting Widdershins to come back, and finally giving up.
It could, however, take out the devise of “he who hesitates is lost”. I am still not fully convinced either, but we’ll see how it plays out...
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Post by countadrian on Sept 24, 2018 14:29:57 GMT -5
We must also keep in mind that the last books are much more longer than the first ones, and therefore, more things are likely to be cut out...
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Post by doetwin on Sept 25, 2018 4:18:33 GMT -5
Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have Kit Snicket die before Count Olaf? I felt that it was sort of strange that death of the main antagonist of the story was the penultimate death instead of the last.
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Post by Uncle Algernon on Sept 25, 2018 5:20:06 GMT -5
"In different places" rather makes me think that they're going to give it cameos like they do the VFD symbol.
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Post by Foxy on Sept 25, 2018 8:20:20 GMT -5
Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have Kit Snicket die before Count Olaf? I felt that it was sort of strange that death of the main antagonist of the story was the penultimate death instead of the last. I think it was kind of symbolic of how good ultimately does triumph over evil, and I do not like the idea of Olaf still being alive when there is yet another orphan in the world. Poor Baby Beatrice.
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