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Post by charliebaudelaire2 on Jan 2, 2005 11:56:18 GMT -5
I was just reading the'will Mr Poe follow the Baudelaires?' thread when I suddenly realised something. J.S is Justice Strauss! OK, so I haven't found any evidence to support this idea, but it's possible! Stranger things have happened in these books!
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Post by Dante on Jan 2, 2005 12:02:25 GMT -5
Old, old idea. Very old. There's evidence you haven't mentioned to back it up, too - at one point in TGG they're talking about who J.S. could be, and Sunny says "Etartsigam!" which is "magistrate" spelt backwards. "Magistrate," as I'm sure you know, means "judge."
Oddly enough, we don't seem to have any particularly recent threads on J.S., general plot of Book Twelve, etc., so I'll allow this to remain on the condition that it becomes a thread to discuss the possible identity (or identities - "Many individuals have the same initials, which can lead to much injustice") of J.S.
Unless Snicketfires would rather we just get rid of it.
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Post by charliebaudelaire2 on Jan 2, 2005 12:05:48 GMT -5
Thankyou for that snippet of evidence. I hadn't noticed it in the book. I promise I'll try not to post any more old topics!
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Post by Violet on Jan 2, 2005 16:38:15 GMT -5
That could explain why J.S. sent a telegram to Mr. Poe-if she is in fact a real judge, which she could be even if she's in V.F.D., she legally would have to inform him of where the children are.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jan 2, 2005 22:18:44 GMT -5
J.S isn't Jerome Squalor as many people would have us believe because Jacques' letter in LSUA makes it clear that Jerome knows nothing of VFD. (I'm now just attempting to rule out possible JS's.)
And I highly doubt it's josephine with her maiden name because even after Ike had been dead for sometime she continued using her Anwhistle name.
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Post by SnicketFires on Jan 2, 2005 22:30:55 GMT -5
Hm, should we submit a list of possible JS's for Tragedy's new section? Then we could get rid of this thread.
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Post by RockSunner on Jan 3, 2005 0:20:11 GMT -5
Considering the Spats father as a possible J.S. -- there is evidence for his being on the good side, bad side, or third side. In any case there are clear V.F.D-related connections for him.
1) If Uncle Bruce is really the uncle of Carmelita, Mr. Spat's brother (or brother-in-law) tried to steal Uncle Monty's reptile collection and has been accused of trying to learn V.F.D. secrets by Quigley. (Bad side or third side).
2) He has allowed Carmelita to be horribly spoiled. (Bad side).
3) He has let Carmelita be in the Snow Scouts, which seems to have many V.F.D. families in it. (Good side).
4) The MWBANH and the WWHANB are his enemies. They plan to burn his house and steal his fortune. (Good side or third side).
5) Carmelita gets angry when asked if she is good to her mother (LSUA p. 171). She has joined Olaf with apparently no concern about her parents. (Uncertain).
6) He is indexed with lassez-faire philosophy in LSUA, along with Jerome Squalor, Justice Straus, and Arthur Poe. (Bad side or third side).
7) He sent a Daily Punctilio article to Vice-Principal Nero warning against the reading of certain books (LSUA p. 129). (Bad side).
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Post by Dante on Jan 3, 2005 5:01:24 GMT -5
Considering the Spats father as a possible J.S. -- there is evidence for his being on the good side, bad side, or third side. In any case there are clear V.F.D-related connections for him. 1) If Uncle Bruce is really the uncle of Carmelita, Mr. Spat's brother (or brother-in-law) tried to steal Uncle Monty's reptile collection and has been accused of trying to learn V.F.D. secrets by Quigley. (Bad side or third side). 2) He has allowed Carmelita to be horribly spoiled. (Bad side). 3) He has let Carmelita be in the Snow Scouts, which seems to have many V.F.D. families in it. (Good side). 4) The MWBANH and the WWHANB are his enemies. They plan to burn his house and steal his fortune. (Good side or third side). 5) Carmelita gets angry when asked if she is good to her mother (LSUA p. 171). She has joined Olaf with apparently no concern about her parents. (Uncertain). 6) He is indexed with lassez-faire philosophy in LSUA, along with Jerome Squalor, Justice Straus, and Arthur Poe. (Bad side or third side). 7) He sent a Daily Punctilio article to Vice-Principal Nero warning against the reading of certain books (LSUA p. 129). (Bad side). Rebuke: 1. Bruce didn't try to steal it; he came to take it back to the herpetological society, where (in the opinion of all but the volunteers) they could have been best dealt with. Olaf said in TSS that he had tricked Bruce out of the collection of reptiles, so Bruce definitely isn't working for the bad side. And where did it say that he was trying to learn secrets from Quigley? I only remember Quigley saying that Bruce had caused a lot of trouble for V.F.D. - and his antics with the reptiles would certainly account for that. 2. You don't have to be a fire-starting volunteer to spoil your child. 3. As I've said before, there's no reason to think that the Snow Scouts have any official connection to V.F.D. If a bunch of kids from volunteer families went to church, would you say that that church was allied with V.F.D.? I think not. If anyone can find my other statements on the Snow Scouts, which also contained some good points which I can't remember, could they post it here, please? 4. In that scene, it was heavily implied that the fire-starting volunteers burn down the houses and steal the fortunes of any who join them. 5. She didn't know the codes. The only evidence there is to suggest that she doesn't know about V.F.D. She gets angry because she's a spoiled brat who doesn't like anyone who doesn't shower her with compliments. 6. Proves nothing other than that he thinks that things should be allowed to happen as they will - although the Spats family's interference with the Prufrock reading list (see Nero's letter to them in the U.A.) implies otherwise. 7. Only one which I've got no argument for. |
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Post by Kitsnicket7 on Jan 3, 2005 12:06:27 GMT -5
JS can dtand for Justice Strauss OR Jerome Squalor  |
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Post by DarkAvenue13 on Jan 3, 2005 17:14:37 GMT -5
So, is this J.S Person suppose to be evil, or good? See, if it was going to be Justice Strauss, then how could she be evil? She seemed to be the nicest person in the Baudelaires lives. And I'm not so sure what people are talking about when they say something about a 'red herring'? What happened?
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Post by QuagmireFan on Jan 3, 2005 17:19:23 GMT -5
Why do you end everything in a question mark? I think it is Justice Strauus.
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Post by DarkAvenue13 on Jan 3, 2005 18:06:44 GMT -5
Because the sentences in which were posted by me, were supposedly in question form. And if they are not, then I could go back and modify the sentences which were ended with a question mark if that would make you feel better, would it?
And I do not always end everything with a question mark.
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Post by QuagmireFan on Jan 3, 2005 18:09:34 GMT -5
"She seemed to be the nicest person in the Baudelaires lives" is not a question.
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Post by DarkAvenue13 on Jan 3, 2005 20:01:49 GMT -5
Okay, you are correct about that. And therefore I corrected my mistake.
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Post by Alice Wilde on Jan 3, 2005 20:03:57 GMT -5
JS can dtand for Justice Strauss OR Jerome Squalor Or Jacques Snicket. Or even Jacob "Jake" Snicket. |
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