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Post by Tay Sachs on Oct 22, 2005 2:46:54 GMT -5
What page is the "you'll fail" thing on? I missed it.
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Post by jdogmoney on Oct 22, 2005 3:00:03 GMT -5
About the ship on the cocktail napkin on the last page...
Prospero, anybody? In the UA, it says that (paraphrasing) VFD arranged for the ship to smuggle Lemony out of the country. This, I believe, is the same ship that Tony "Mommy" Eggmonteror-sorry, Uncle Monty- was going to take the children to Peru in. Could Book the Thirteenth take place in foreign lands?
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Post by Dante on Oct 22, 2005 3:13:48 GMT -5
The Prospero might well put in an appearance in B13, since it's implied that the Incredibly Deadly Viper may be aboard. The Baudelaires are all at sea anyway. I think that they'll also visit the island with a law against anyone removing its fruit, though - I posted a quote about that on either page 1, 2 or 3. And if they're on the Prospero at any point, then that would be a good time for an attack by the Female Finnish Pirates.
I think the murder of Olaf's parents probably was a very recent thing, as it makes much more sense with the timeline. We've seen that the transcript of the V.F.D. meeting in the U.A. can't be the schism, as even if Olaf is about twenty years older than the Snickets, then Handler is already representing Lemony. It could have started the worsening of the schism in that particular generation, even if it didn't turn Olaf to the fire-starters.
It also makes sense if Olaf burnt down the Baudelaire mansion:
1. Olaf wouldn't have waited years and years to burn down the Baudelaire home if they killed his parents when he was a child, so it would make sense if the murder of his own parents was recent.
2. It gives him a motive - the Baudelaire parents killed his parents, so he destroyed them.
"You'll fail" is page 303.
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Post by Vortigun on Oct 22, 2005 4:48:59 GMT -5
I have to say I really enjoyed that book.
End of chapter twelve: "Burn down Hotel"
Best. Moment. Ever! That made both angry and saddened... I did love the ending, and the whole Baudelairs Volenteer/Villain ambiguity, which I think is by far the most interesting thing about the books.
Also another think of worthy note, Olaf, hesitating with the harpoon gun. Before now I never really questioned that he was a more or less one-dimentional (character wise I mean) generic bad bad villain, but after that chapter everything changed, not least of all because it was the Bauds who commited acts of manslaughter...
If you think about it, the Baudelairs have actually been much more villainous in the actuality of their actions than Olaf has, and I think that's brilliant.
The Baudelairs are evil without evil intent.
Olaf has evil intent without doing evil.
In the end this book ask you: "Who is really more villainous." and to be honest, I don't think the Baudelairs qualify as volenteers anymore.
Edit: Also a note about the clue in the last picture... I wouldn't be suprised if there wasn't one... everyone has been very stingey with releasing information since TGG, the last (non-)clue was just a hat with "HOTEL D..." on it, hardly a clue at all.
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Post by Antenora on Oct 22, 2005 6:53:53 GMT -5
I think that ship on the napkin might belong to the Female Finnish Pirates, whom it's implied that we'll meet in Book 13. If we met the Prospero, that would tie up some loose ends nicely.
And I'm wondering how they'll handle the last-picture clue in Book 13. The clues have been getting vauge recently--the mushrooms in TSS weren't too hard to guess at, but there was confusion in TGG with the hat and the blimp. The clues are things not mentioned in the text, so I think the TPP one is the flock of birds. Maybe.
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Post by Dante on Oct 22, 2005 7:20:51 GMT -5
The flock of birds, given what we know, makes more sense than the water tower, just as the Hotel D cap made more sense than the blimp. Then again, both of those seemed likely to turn up, despite the fact that one was more obvious than the other. But anyway, I think it's the flock of birds, and I think it represents the eagles (which Olaf refers to in TPP as "my" eagles, despite the fact that it was the sinister duo who were controlling them).
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Post by Antenora on Oct 22, 2005 7:26:46 GMT -5
I thought the birds were either pigeons or crows, both of whom are known for carrying messages, but even so they could represent the eagles. A single crow was the last-picture clue in TEE, so using birds for clue purposes seems a bit repetitive.
And I wonder why Olaf calls the eagles his own, since he doesn't control them. Maybe he used to?
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Post by dirkamoeba on Oct 22, 2005 7:44:42 GMT -5
I just had a thought about Olaf's parents. What if they were actually in La Forza del Destino? Count Olaf fancies himself an actor but obviously isn't a good one. Maybe he gets this idea because his parents were actors or opera stars. This may have something to do with why the poison darts changed hands during the opera.
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Post by Dante on Oct 22, 2005 7:55:00 GMT -5
I think Olaf thinks of the eagles as his own as they're controlled by his side of the schism, or by people close to him (even if he was planning on killing those people - but then the eagles would be his, wouldn't they?).
And it's entirely possible that Olaf's parents were performing in La Forza del Destino. It would make it easier to target them, and if it was during the final scene where the characters recognise and destroy each other over the course of a single song, then their deaths might go un-noticed for a while. PJ wrote the parents of Olaf in the lead roles of the opera in his fanfic about the situation.
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Post by Antenora on Oct 22, 2005 7:58:59 GMT -5
I like the theory of Olaf's parents being in the opera. If they were pretending to die on stage, people would be less likely to notice that they were actually dead.
And I just remembered something from The Nameless Novel: A site TNN.com linked to(kidzworld.com) mentioned the "Terminal Taxi Company", which was never mentioned in Book 12. That same site gave a completely incorrect title for the book. Moral: don't trust Kidzworld.
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Post by Dante on Oct 22, 2005 8:09:47 GMT -5
It could have been a deliberate red herring, since TheNamelessNovel.com actually put out a fair number of those, in the end. The "Terminal Taxi Company" was weired, though. "Terminal" means "final" doesn't it? Eh, I'm just rambling. Basically, kidzworld was annoying, and those red herrings caused a fair bit of trouble.
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Post by jman on Oct 22, 2005 8:41:46 GMT -5
My thought is: The bags of money Mrs. Bass stole, are lost in the fire. They could be the stolen Baudelaire fortune! Wouldn't that be a stroke of misfortune!What do you think? Would Handler actualy do that? Could that be the unfortunate ending of the series?
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Post by Dante on Oct 22, 2005 8:43:33 GMT -5
It's possible, although they're probably just generic loot bags. If it was that easy to snatch the Baudelaire fortune, I find it hard to believe that Olaf wouldn't have done it.
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Post by jman on Oct 22, 2005 8:46:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess your probably right. Or maybe not...  |
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Post by Antenora on Oct 22, 2005 8:50:37 GMT -5
"Terminal" means "final" doesn't it?. Yes, as in "terminal illness", and it's also a pun on "terminal" in the sense of a station, someplace a taxi might drop you off at. I do wonder if the money bags contained the Baudelaire fortune, as well as the Spats and Winnipeg fortunes, if those were in the bank. |
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