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Post by RockSunner on Nov 27, 2005 11:15:56 GMT -5
On p. 153 of TPP:
...a woman in a diving helmet and a shiny suit shown a flashlight through the water and tried to see to the murky bottom of the sea.
On p. 102:
...a short figure, dressed in a suit of shiny green cloth...
The second is Sir of Lucky Smells Lumbermill. Are these two the same person? If not, why was the shiny suit mentioned? Sir's face is never seen.
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Post by Dante on Nov 27, 2005 11:32:09 GMT -5
Sir's suit was described as being shiny way back in TMM.
He was quite short, shorter than Klaus, and dressed in a suit made of a very shiy dark-green material that made him look more like a reptile than a person.
TMM - p50
As for the woman, I think it's fairly obvious.
Standing in the center of the room was an enormous man dressed in a shiny suit made of some sort of slippery-looking material...
TGG - p27
Sir is wearing his usual suit, and the woman is wearing a volunteer diving suit. It's just consistent description, in my opinion.
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Post by champ103 on Nov 27, 2005 11:39:37 GMT -5
Also, I think that we'll never see of Sir again, so I doubt he'll come into any sort of plot.
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Post by Antenora on Nov 27, 2005 11:54:31 GMT -5
Interesting connection, but I don't think Sir's suit is that much like a diving suit--it's described as making him look like a reptile(maybe it's actually snakeskin, possibly from volunteer reptiles), and the diving-suit material is just described as looking slippery.
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 27, 2005 12:47:33 GMT -5
I think the responders are right; it was just a wild thought. I also made the connection that the undersea diving trip came after Sir was told by Charles that the Baudelaires might be arriving by submarine, but this is probably another coincidence.
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Post by Grace on Nov 27, 2005 13:01:31 GMT -5
It is a wild thought. I resent these "Is [insert male character here] a woman?" No. No no no.
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Post by champ103 on Nov 27, 2005 13:17:31 GMT -5
Wait-I actually have some proper evidence that it can't be him.
The woman was under the water at 3o'clock, a minute or too after Sir left the sauna-he was with the chemist being taken to room 547. Surely there wouldn't be time for him to get underwater...
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Post by Dante on Nov 27, 2005 13:21:51 GMT -5
Why, yes. Thank you, Dupin. Real evidence is always useful. Even if he had departed from Charles and Colette, Sir wouldn't have had time to get out of the hotel and around to the ocean, or to get hold of a diving helmet (the image of Sir wearing a diving helmet is an odd one, incidentally - I imagine that all the smoke would be trapped in the helmet and would swirl around, obscuring his face still).
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 27, 2005 16:22:41 GMT -5
Wait-I actually have some proper evidence that it can't be him. The woman was under the water at 3o'clock, a minute or too after Sir left the sauna-he was with the chemist being taken to room 547. Surely there wouldn't be time for him to get underwater... The timing is not quite that simple, Dupin. On p. 151, it says "Quite a few things happened that day after the clock struck three...". "After" could be hours later. Another quote "With each Wrong! of the clock, as the afternoon slipped into evening, countless things happened..." Therefore, I cannot accept this as evidence that Sir is not the diving woman. |
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Post by Dante on Nov 27, 2005 16:55:37 GMT -5
I interpret it as being directly after three, although you're right, it also indicates that it refers to the time quite a while afterwards. I just feel that it would be detrimental to the passage if all those things didn't happen and all those ripples didn't spread out over the world in that very instant.
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Post by Alfred is Present on Nov 27, 2005 18:33:07 GMT -5
My opinion:
The suit of Sir is the 1st Shiny type, the Shiny-Yet-Not-Wet Looking like a turtle's shell or a well-polished floor, or dark obsidian.
Then, the diving suit is really Should-Be-Wet-To-Be-Shiny-Looking, the way soap should be wet, and the way a salamander or a frog should be wet to be slippery/shiny, whichever you may prefer.
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Post by lauren on Nov 27, 2005 22:01:49 GMT -5
lol that's wacked, first mr poe is a woman now sir is a woman.... anywhos I do not think sir is a woman...but I have found more evidence which supports Rock Sunner's arguement anyways...
1. His/her face may be obscured by smoke for a reason.
2. It says that we will never see his/her face which makes sense as we don't see his/her face under the smoke or inside the diving helmet.
3. He chose not to get unchanged in the sauna possibly becuase he is a woman and did not want to reveal his womanly features
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Post by RockSunner on Nov 27, 2005 22:24:39 GMT -5
Another possible clue is that there are hints that Charles and Sir are a romantic couple, as here:
TPP p. 355
...they saw Charles and Sir, who were holding hands so as not to lose one another...
Two men could be a couple, but in this series? Handler has had trouble with book-banners before.
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Post by Shelly on Nov 28, 2005 1:09:50 GMT -5
No way could Sir be a lady. It's hard to picture him one.
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Post by hugmydictator on Nov 28, 2005 1:26:16 GMT -5
He might be a cross-dresser. ;D
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