04nshe
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Post by 04nshe on Jun 25, 2006 13:27:41 GMT -5
Violet was the first baud to say that they might be turning evil (check THH)
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Post by Dante on Jun 25, 2006 13:39:33 GMT -5
Hm, I think you're right. Although I think that more shows she's perceptive rather than that she's relishing the prospect of killing off her siblings. I guess you could say it shows she has more awareness of how easy evil can be, though, but that might itself be an argument against Quigley being a traitor, as she'd have seen the flaws in his actions. In TSS Quigley was the one who suggested that the Baudelaires take Esmé prisoner, and Violet was the one who eventually decided that it was the wrong thing to do and ended up warning her.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jun 25, 2006 21:02:03 GMT -5
If Quigley is a traitor(I don't think he is) Violet's perceptions about it could very easily be clouded by her feelings for him.
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Post by The World Is Quiet Here on Jun 28, 2006 2:48:45 GMT -5
I don't think Violet is a traitor she has always noticed all the ignoble things they've done with distress.
The only possible evidence of Quigley being a traitor is his ignoble though desperate insistance they trap Esme in the abyss.
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Post by PJ on Jun 30, 2006 19:34:18 GMT -5
Abyss? It was clearly a pit of some sort.
And I don't like the idea of Violet joining the FFP. Just seems...wrong. I mean, after 12 books of being done injustice to, she just runs off to join a criminal organization?
And I doubt we will meet Quisling or Gorgon. They were just allusions, I'm sure...
Though it WOULD be cool if they turned up, cos we'd know that they're evil, whilst the Baudelaires wouldn't be quite as sure.
As for the ? Beast, I'd like to know more about it, but I've resigned myself to the fact that we'll never find out anything about it...
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Post by SnicketFires on Jun 30, 2006 20:37:26 GMT -5
I think we may have already "met" Gorgon; Medusa was a gorgon, and she appears in the Medusoid Mycelium in TGG.
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Post by PJ on Jun 30, 2006 20:55:50 GMT -5
I think we may have already "met" Gorgon; Medusa was a gorgon, and she appears in the Medusoid Mycelium in TGG. I suppose. Quisling will also be metaphorical, or just not there, mark my words. |
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Antenora
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Post by Antenora on Jun 30, 2006 21:20:27 GMT -5
And I don't like the idea of Violet joining the FFP. Just seems...wrong. I mean, after 12 books of being done injustice to, she just runs off to join a criminal organization? I don't think the FFP are quite "criminals"; the RE notes imply that they're at least friendly to VFD(although most likely independent from it), if Lemony could contact them for information. Still, they're probably not the most law-abiding people, being pirates. And I don't think Violet would desert her siblings to join the pirates, much as she admires them; as I think I mentioned before, she cares about Klaus and Sunny a lot and acts as a mother figure. I agree about Quisling and Gorgon; they may have been examples of words for evil people, but won't necessarily be characters. Although The End might involve some explanation of the name Quisling and its significance. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 30, 2006 21:24:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I had gathered that impression as well, but they are, after all, pirates. Perhaps they are noble pirates, like Captain Nemo from 20,000 Leagues under the Sea, or something like that, but they are nonetheless pirates.
I can see them offering to take Violet with them, as she is female, and does have skills that would probably be highly useful for anyone, let alone pirates. Sunny, too. But they won't leave Klaus behind, and will refuse the offer, I'm thinking.
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Post by Dante on Jul 1, 2006 3:00:58 GMT -5
Violet would probably be welcome in the F.F.P.; she's clearly quite an expert at tying their specialist knot. And if they're relatively decent pirates, then the Baudelaires might see that as a better alternative than staying with Count Olaf. Of course, it all depends; for example, on how Count Olaf treats them now that they're effectively part of the troupe.
I remain of the opinion that Gorgon and Quisling would not have been capitalised in the BBRE if Handler had not intended at the time that they would become characters, as the accepted spelling of those two words as names to be applied to somebody as an insult, like all the other words except the actual names in that list, are spelt without capitals. However, since a bunch of other stuff from the BBRE shows very little sign of ever coming in (poisonous plant, O.F.D., log-chopping), I'm resigned to them not appearing except as allusions (as Gorgon was alluded to in TGG). Didn't stop me from making them characters in fanfiction, though.
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Post by champ103 on Jul 3, 2006 14:56:50 GMT -5
I don't think Quigley's a traitor, and I definately don't think Violet is. The whole series has been showing how the Baudelaires have been going from good, to evil, but in their eyes, and in our eyes I suppose, they're still good, they're doing evil things for what they see as a good cause, which will of course, turn out to be just like Olaf's life and I still believe that they'll join him in the end.
Quigley is another case of this; through his adventures and misfortunes, he has become a lot like the Baudelaires; a chef's salad. However, I still believe that he's hiding information from the Baudelaires (he certainly seems suspicious). But which part of his story was a lie, and why is he keeping things from the Baudelaires. Since we can expect a Baud-Quag reunion in TE, I hope these kind of things will be sorted out. Duncan and Isadora sure seemed to know WAY more then they told the Baudelaires, so perhaps they weren't as naive about VFD before their fire?
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froggy1
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Post by froggy1 on Jul 9, 2006 5:33:19 GMT -5
i never thought esme would be a traitor but look what happened.
it probably is another person that the Baudelaires family known but children don't
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Post by danielhandler on Jul 10, 2006 12:24:46 GMT -5
i believe in the end that after being on the ship w/ olaf violet and her siblings might land on a island that is territory for the vfd and she just might find her parents either hypnotized or in a cage or both b cuz in i think TEE we findout that theirs the passage from their mansion to dark or was it somewhere else ne ways that would give the lead that the baudelaires parents escaped from the fire? lots of loose ends but one other thing whens the book rumored to comeout?
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Post by Dante on Jul 10, 2006 12:38:55 GMT -5
i believe in the end that after being on the ship w/ olaf violet and her siblings might land on a island that is territory for the vfd and she just might find her parents either hypnotized or in a cage or both b cuz in i think TEE we findout that theirs the passage from their mansion to dark or was it somewhere else ne ways that would give the lead that the baudelaires parents escaped from the fire? lots of loose ends but one other thing whens the book rumored to comeout? comes out on Friday the 13th of October; a thread counting down the days until its release may be found here (be sure to check the most recent post for the current number of days remaining). The Beatrice Letters comes out on September 5th, a month earlier. |
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Post by FROZEN ACCOUNT on Jul 10, 2006 13:58:18 GMT -5
What about Mr. Poe's sister?
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