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Post by Celinra on Jun 11, 2004 10:26:34 GMT -5
I only disagree with worshippers if: a. They don't truly worship the devil, they just smoke pot. b. they're the "I'm a nonnkonfermest!!!!!!!!!1 i wrashipp the devul!!!!!!!!1 im sooooooooo kewl!" c. They make gruesome, (or any), animal or people sacrifices. That just about sums up my views, too. I would just add that as long as they don't try to push their views on me (or anyone who doesn't want to hear about it, for that matter), I don't care. Also, it's important to note that witchcraft does NOT equal devil worshipper. One of my best friends is into witchcraft, but she does white magic, and doesn't believe the devil exists. So... yeah. Mecilia, out of curiosity, what do you consider as a "Christian cult"?
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Post by Countess Mecilia on Jun 11, 2004 18:19:22 GMT -5
Mecilia, out of curiosity, what do you consider as a "Christian cult"? Well, there are many Christian churches- whether they are catholic, protestant... whatever, that turn into cult-like things. I'm not saying all christian churches are, but there's no doubt that some are.
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Post by hermionebaudelaire on Jun 12, 2004 12:49:56 GMT -5
Oh my gosh. I am christian which is creepy to hear this, even tho when i was watching TV once there was a special on, "Satan worshipers". When i saw that it freaked me out! This whole gang of devil worshipers just kidnapped a woman offed the streets and ate her! They really ate her! OH, are there any christains here? I feel so lonley hearing no-one else is a christian. I'm Christian. Nominally. (<--sp.?)
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Post by BlackCherry667 on Jun 12, 2004 13:03:55 GMT -5
I know someone who was accused of being a Devil Worshipper, but I have never met one. I guess, as long as they don't hurt themselves or others, they can worship whomever the choose. I don't agree with worshipping the Devil, but I do believe you should try to respect other's beliefs. It does sound pretty scary though.... Oh my gosh. I am christian which is creepy to hear this, even tho when i was watching TV once there was a special on, "Satan worshipers". When i saw that it freaked me out! This whole gang of devil worshipers just kidnapped a woman offed the streets and ate her! They really ate her! OH, are there any christains here? I feel so lonley hearing no-one else is a christian. I'm a Christain, as well. As a matter of fact, I go to a Christain school. It isn't much different from public schools, just that you pray before class, and go to Chapel every Tuesday. (Which is very handy, because our Math teacher has to schedule tests on Wednesdays, so that we have time to finish them)
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Post by Antenora on Jun 12, 2004 13:05:41 GMT -5
Well, there are many Christian churches- whether they are catholic, protestant... whatever, that turn into cult-like things. I'm not saying all christian churches are, but there's no doubt that some are. It seems that every religion has some fanatical sects, but those aren't quite like cults. I'd define a cult as a small quasi-religious group, often devoted to something unconventional. Cults try to lure people in, often for money, and they try to take control of people's lives. That's how I understand it anyway. Small religions that people start, however, are not necessarily cults. It's good to make note of such distinctions.
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Post by negativenine on Jun 13, 2004 12:46:53 GMT -5
First of all, there ARE "Christian" cults, who claim to be branches of christianity but have some weird cult-like beliefs and customs. What about The People's Temple, who all committed mass suicide with cyanide-laced cool-aid as a religious act? They were supposedly Christian... What about the Scientologists? The Raeliens? Granted, they are not your conventional Christian churches, but it's obvious they're trying to cater to a sort of neo-christianity or something. By the way, these pages I've linked to creepy the heck out of me (I decided it was probably a good idea NOT to link to some White Power ones, as those would be a little too much, but they also like to call themselves Christians). As for those of you who have said, "I'm okay with devil worship as long as it doesn't involve self-destructive behaviour, harm to others, etc." I thought those were basic requirements of devil worship? I mean, if you worship the devil, you are pretty much the opposite of all those Christian beliefs, aren't you? Therefore, it is not only good but RIGHT, according to Satan, to ritually sacrifice, drink blood, harm people, etc. To be a devil worshipper you have to believe in God and do the opposite of what he says, isn't that the basic idea? Most of the "devil worhsippers" do this as a ploy for attention. They do it because they're rebellious and possibly disturbed teenagers who want to do something to spite the God who was supposed to guide them. So they, if only in words, because a lot of them do do it only as something to scare others, worship the devil. Then, of course, there are the odd ones Mecilia mentionned. The ones who do hurt themselves and others as devil worhsippers. But here's the thing: not all, not even most punks/goths/emo kids are Satanists. Tocuna brought up a good point: just because you have a fascination with death/the occult/fantasy creatures/horror/whatever, does not mean you're a devil worshipper. Doodling demons on your binder doesn't make you a devil-child who must be stopped. There are definitely times I'll be drawing headless people or skeletons or things, and people will say, "oh! That's sick!" or whatever. I sincerely doubt anyone believes I'm a devil worshipper, as I don't give them any other suggestions and don't fit the mold of ye olde classic Satanist, but if I were a goth, I think I'd easily be looked upon that way. Interesting the way that works. My friend, who recently had dreadlocks, remarked that when she had them, she'd never have to be afraid of walking at night, because people avoided her more for some reason. Same with dressing in black (and reading Camus) and being gothic. People automatically assume you're not to be bugged. Possibly they're afraid of you. But about your exact instance, Tocuna. I think it was probably the pentacle. A lot of people mistake Wiccans for Satanists for that reason. He was probably just joking, or was dared by his friend to see how you'd react or something. *shrug* I don't know him/the situation so I can't really make a good judgement.
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Post by GaryBaudelaire on Jun 13, 2004 17:09:58 GMT -5
Yes, I did mean cults, sorry!! ;D
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Post by negativenine on Jun 13, 2004 23:01:22 GMT -5
S'okay. It gave us something to laugh about. Why do those young, keen religious horses have to be so young, keen AND religious? AT THE SAME TIME?
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Post by GaryBaudelaire on Jun 14, 2004 16:20:05 GMT -5
I dunno, it always makes me so sad... Those poor horses, drawn into themselves because other horses have ties on.... --sniff--
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Post by Antenora on Jun 14, 2004 19:01:57 GMT -5
But here's the thing: not all, not even most punks/goths/emo kids are Satanists. Tocuna brought up a good point: just because you have a fascination with death/the occult/fantasy creatures/horror/whatever, does not mean you're a devil worshipper. Doodling demons on your binder doesn't make you a devil-child who must be stopped. There are definitely times I'll be drawing headless people or skeletons or things, and people will say, "oh! That's sick!" or whatever. I sincerely doubt anyone believes I'm a devil worshipper, as I don't give them any other suggestions and don't fit the mold of ye olde classic Satanist, but if I were a goth, I think I'd easily be looked upon that way. Interesting the way that works. My friend, who recently had dreadlocks, remarked that when she had them, she'd never have to be afraid of walking at night, because people avoided her more for some reason. Same with dressing in black (and reading Camus) and being gothic. People automatically assume you're not to be bugged. Possibly they're afraid of you. But about your exact instance, Tocuna. I think it was probably the pentacle. A lot of people mistake Wiccans for Satanists for that reason. He was probably just joking, or was dared by his friend to see how you'd react or something. *shrug* I don't know him/the situation so I can't really make a good judgement. It's definitely so. People have stereotypes of others who seem unusual and possibly frightening. When I wear goth jewelry, people assume I'm some sort of antisocial rebel (which I sort-of am, but that's beside the point). I hide my demonic drawings for that reason; people seem to fear me whether or not they see those. Weirder still, someone on this very board had the erroneous assumption that all Goths are Wiccans. It may be true in some cases, but such generalizations are rarely true. I agree about the pentacle; many people either mistake it for a Star of David or call me a devil-worshipper. This boy had been harassing me for quite some time; perhaps he has some sort of crush.
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Post by negativenine on Jun 14, 2004 20:19:44 GMT -5
That's probably it. XD
Anyway, I like this thread. All the colts and the devil-worship and the misconceptions.... it's like "SOUL DEALING FOR FUN AND PROFIT" except without the profit, soul dealing, or demonic puppet named Steve.
Speaking of which, Satan can be pretty funny... If I could think of some Satan jokes I'd share them. But I can't, so I'll leave that to you!
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Post by Antenora on Jun 14, 2004 20:25:50 GMT -5
I can't think of any Satan jokes at the moment, but I went to look for some. At Ahajokes.com, I came across this joke, which has to do with religion and a horse(not a colt, however). There are more religion and afterlife related jokes at that site.
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Post by Kobolos on Jun 16, 2004 11:42:21 GMT -5
I agree with rhapsody that devil worshippers aren't the sort of people you want near you. There are many stories about them commitng murder and animal sacrifices, but some of these reports are not well verified. Something for all of you to remember: People who doodle demons on their notepads are not necessarily devil worshippers. They may be aspiring fantasy artists. I say this because I am one of these people(artists). Thanks for listening. Well said, but I married a devil worshipper, so maybe they are the sort of people I want to be around.
Now, let's look at the facts beyond the "Satanic Panic" that uninformed law enforcement officers, various church leaders, and so-called "experts" will have you believe.
If the supposid "rampant devil worship crimes" that were rumoured to happen *actually* happened you'd have pages of news stories...look some up on the net.
here is a good place to start: www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/CShistory8SP.html
let's clarify: angsty disturbed people with severe mental problems aren't devil worshippers, they are mentally unbalanced.
Let's start with my wife, a former LaVeyian Satanist, what did she believe? 1. Stupidity ...The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid." Well, that excludes 100% of the so called "Look at me I worship the Devil" freaks. 2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.Empty posturing, like most kids in high school.
there are nine sins in total, the rest are here: www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Sins.htmlI will list the 11 rules of the Earth, a little different from the Ten Commandments, but they still make a hell of a lot of sense... 1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.Bottom line, There is more to Satanism (LaVeyian or otherwise) than just claiming "I worship the Devil" for attention. (Wicca and Paganism has the same problemP
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Post by Kobolos on Jun 16, 2004 11:46:55 GMT -5
Speaking of which, Satan can be pretty funny... If I could think of some Satan jokes I'd share them. But I can't, so I'll leave that to you! I still contend Steve will make me my first million dollars, he's comic gold.
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Post by Celinra on Jun 16, 2004 13:02:24 GMT -5
I must admit, those 11 rules of the Earth do make sense. Especially #8. I agree with about 90% of what it says, even though I'm a Christian. Go figure.
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