Antenora
Detriment Deleter
Fiendish Philologist
Put down that harpoon gun, in the name of these wonderful birds!
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Post by Antenora on Jun 16, 2004 16:24:49 GMT -5
1. Stupidity ...The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid."
..... I throughly agree. In our society, it's just not cool *finger-snap* to be smart, to see through the "system." Stupidity is painful, however, but rarely to the ones commiting it. Of course, agreeing with that one tenet doesn't make me even remotely Satanistic, right? That's true as well. Many people claim to be witches, or magic-users, or whatever your preferred term is, but they only do it for attention. It has something to do with the popularity of Harry Potter (which has little connection to real-world occultism no matter what people say) and other fantasy. Some people just want to be famous and/or notorious and/or on some ultraconservative's list of enemies.
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Post by ŘỠßëřŦ on Jun 21, 2004 20:19:26 GMT -5
I think that Devil-Worshipers are just following their own beliefs, and it doesn't matter if we agree with them, because they're entitled to their opinion.
But this case is different for me... Because different religions have different gods, like the Greek People. They believe in Zues... and the Chinese (I think it was the Chinese) believe in a tree as their god. In those cases, the various gods all come down to one person- Jesus...But the devil is much different, even though I believe the devil is nothing but anger, fear, and darkness. The devil is a spirit of evil, whereas God is a spirit of rightouesness.
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Post by embah on Oct 5, 2004 3:15:31 GMT -5
one of my friends has been converting into a devil worshipper slowly. she's even slept in a graveyard! but i have nothing against it. it's there right to do what they want. but i think devil worshippers are exaggerated. they're not all bad/evil/goths etc. they may act like that, but they're also normal people who do normal things too, like they act pretty normal when they go out to eat and shopping and that.
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Post by Dread Pirate Kobolos on Oct 5, 2004 7:45:38 GMT -5
I think that Devil-Worshipers are just following their own beliefs, and it doesn't matter if we agree with them, because they're entitled to their opinion. But this case is different for me... Because different religions have different gods, like the Greek People. They believe in Zues... and the Chinese (I think it was the Chinese) believe in a tree as their god. In those cases, the various gods all come down to one person- Jesus...But the devil is much different, even though I believe the devil is nothing but anger, fear, and darkness. The devil is a spirit of evil, whereas God is a spirit of rightouesness. You can believe in the Banana King if you like...but once your religion leads to murder, sacrifice (human or animal) then a line has been crossed. As for the "all gods come down to Jesus" thing....that's incredibly short sided don't you think? there is a Sufi proverb about mistaking the stream for the ocean, I think it applies here, especially considering the history of world religion. Pope Leo X made a curious declaration, that I will let you research on your own: "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, by Barbara Walker, p. 471. Rev. Taylor, in The Diegesis, reports a slightly different version of Leo X's admission: "It was well known how profitable this fable of Christ has been to us." (footnote, p. 35.) And since you mentioned "Zues", you may have a point that all gods come down to Jesus...as the Jesus story incorporated elements from the tales of other deities recorded in this widespread area, such as many of the following world saviors and "sons of God," most or all of whom predate the Christian myth, and a number of whom were crucified or executed: Adad of Assyria Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece Alcides of Thebes Attis of Phrygia Baal of Phoenicia Bali of Afghanistan Beddru of Japan Buddha of India Crite of Chaldea Deva Tat of Siam Hesus of the Druids Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt, whose long-haired, bearded appearance was adopted for the Christ character Taylor quotes the letter of Emperor Hadrian (134 C.E.): "The worshippers of Serapis are Christians, and those are devoted to the God Serapis, who (I find) call themselves the bishops of Christ." Indra of Tibet/India Jao of Nepal Krishna of India Mikado of the Sintoos Mithra of Persia Odin of the Scandinavians Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece Quetzalcoatl of Mexico Salivahana of Bermuda Tammuz of Syria (who was, in a typical mythmaking move, later turned into the disciple Thomas 1) Thor of the Gauls Universal Monarch of the Sibyls 2 Wittoba of the Bilingonese Xamolxis of Thrace Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia Zoar of the Bonzes 1 Walker: ". . . Later, an unknown Gospel writer inserted the story of doubting Thomas, who insisted on touching Jesus. This was to combat the heretical idea that there was no resurrection in the flesh, and also to subordinate Jerusalem's municipal god Tammuz (Thomas) to the new savior. Actually, the most likely source of primary Christian mythology was the Tammuz cult in Jerusalem." The "doubting Thomas" character also finds its place in the Mythos, as the "genius" of the time when the sun is at its weakest (winter solstice). 2 The Sibylline Oracles, books produced over time allegedly by a number of pagan prophetesses called Sibyls, were widely regarded in the ancient world prior to the advent of the Christian era. "The Sibyls are quoted frequently by the early Fathers and Christian writers, Justin, Athenagoras, Theophilus, Clement of Alexandria, etc." (Catholic Encyclopedia, cited by Wheless) These books or Oracles were often cited by Christians as proof of their religion. For instance, the following is considered a Sibylline Oracle: "With five loaves at the same time, and with two fishes, He shall satisfy five thousand men in the wilderness; And afterwards taking all the fragments that remain, He shall fill twelve baskets to the hope of many. . . .He shall still the winds by His word, and calm the sea as it rages, treading with feet of peace and faith. . . . He shall walk on the waves, He shall release men from disease. He shall raise the dead, and drive away many pains. . ." (Wheless) Although the Christians interpreted this as a prophecy of Christ becoming fulfilled, it is in fact an aspect of the ubiquitous Mythos and was already said of Horus, for one, hundreds of years earlier. It has never referred to an actual man but, once again, is astrotheological. The fact that it purportedly existed prior to the Christian era constitutes proof to those who use logic that the Christians utilized it in creating their Christ character, rather than it acting as a prophecy of their godman. As they did with other texts, the Christians forged and interpolated many passages into the well-known Oracles in order to cement their fiction and convert followers. It is also amusing to note that the Christians had to resort to despised "pagan" documents for their enterprise, especially since they spent their lives attempting to demonstrate that everything that preceded them was "of the devil." This then implies that Christianity was also a work of the devil.
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Post by Dante on Oct 5, 2004 10:38:17 GMT -5
Nice work, Kobolos. You said everything that I could ever have hoped to say if I researched for hours and then even more.
And this is a long shot, but is the name Serapis at all related to the angelic order of the Seraphim? Or are they just based on the same word in Hebrew (or whatever)?
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Post by BMatt on Oct 5, 2004 11:11:19 GMT -5
It'll be easier if I post with this account instead of the goblin.
The god Serapis is the Greek version of the Egyptian god Osiris who is worshiped as a Crocodile.
The word Serapis stems from the Sarpa, Seraphim or Serpents the semi-divine beings with a human face and the tail of a dragon.
In Indian Astrology the Crocodile is convertible with Capricorn who symbolizes the Sumerian god Enki. In Egypt the unsound man is characteristically transformed into a Crocodile who is in reality the Dragon of Wisdom.
Speaking of serpents and wisdom....
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Post by Soidanae on Oct 5, 2004 17:07:44 GMT -5
I laugh at people like that... Not the wrists, the makeup, as it actually looks mildly cool. The wrists mean psychiatrist. Now.
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Post by Phoenix 4242424242424242424242 on Oct 6, 2004 1:36:47 GMT -5
Bottom line, There is more to Satanism (LaVeyian or otherwise) than just claiming "I worship the Devil" for attention. (Wicca and Paganism has the same problemP Hmm... Unfortunately it is true. That hurts to know, but still. One girl told me that my pentcle was a sign of a Devil worshipper. That annoyed me, because she continued to look at me weirdly. I think it's sad when disturbed people take to Wicca, or Devil worshipping, thinking it will make things better. But you shouldn't turn to these religions, they should get a counciller. It brings a tear to my eye and a tug to my heart. My parents never belive in anything much, but my mum did keep a bag of runes, which she gave to my sister. I now care a fair lot about what people think, because when I was nine, some friends of mine and myself worshipped the Satan, or as we called him, Salem. Although we never really thought of it that way, it was a little kids thing, I think. We would lie on the grass, in North, South, East and West positions, like a compass, depending on which direction you were born in. There were five of us, so there was me and another friend on North together. We kept stones on our desks at school, and some of the kids teased us, and said we were doing Witchcraft and that we were freaks. I drifted away from it, and then when I was 11 my sister (the one who got the runes) took me for a walk, and asked me if I had ever been a witch. Things poured out, and only her, and two close friends know about what my religion is.
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Post by BMatt on Oct 6, 2004 7:54:29 GMT -5
One girl told me that my pentcle was a sign of a Devil worshipper. That annoyed me, because she continued to look at me weirdly. I have no problem being "Weird Kobo" but no one has ever "told" me anything without a retort.
The next time some little twit wants to drop some knowledge on you, break out a little Christian trivia:
During the times of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), the pentacle was the first and most important of the Seven Seals - an amulet whose seals represented the seven secret names of God. It was inscribed on King Solomon's ring, which is often called Solomon's Seal in error. Each point of the pentagram was also interpreted as referring to the five books of the Pentateuch - the first five books in the Hebrew Scriptures; the Torah.
The five points of the pentagram have been interpreted as representing the five wounds of Christ (2 wrist, 2 ankle and 1 side).
The Roman Emperor Constantine used the pentagram in his seal and amulet.
It has been referred to as the Star of Bethlehem
It was used to symbolize the star which allegedly led three Zoroastrian astrologers to the baby Jesus; it was called the Three Kings' star.
The English warrior Sir Gawain, a nephew of King Arthur, adopted the pentagram as his personal symbol and placed it on his shield. It appeared in gold on a red background. The five points symbolized "the five knightly virtues - generosity, courtesy, chastity, chivalry and piety."
Tarot cards originally had a suit of coins or discs. These were changed in the 19th century to pentacles when the Tarot became associated with the Kabbalah. They eventually became the suit of diamonds in modern playing cards.
It has been widely used by past Christians as a protective amulet.
What your little accusor is referring to is this, that during the burning times when the Christian church burned alive hundreds of thousands of innocent people, the meaning of the pentagram "changed" to fit their agenda. Forgetting their own history to suit them, It began to symbolize a goat's head or the devil in the form of Baphomet. "The folk-symbol of security - for the first time in history - was equated with evil and was called the Witch's Foot.
Perhaps she should go learn her own history before she sticks her nose in yours.
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Post by Soidanae on Oct 6, 2004 20:22:05 GMT -5
I've never understood the difference between the two...
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Post by BMatt on Oct 6, 2004 20:59:00 GMT -5
I've never understood the difference between the two... what two? pentacles and pentagrams? inverted and non-inverted? unsure of what you're asking kiddo....
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Antenora
Detriment Deleter
Fiendish Philologist
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Post by Antenora on Oct 7, 2004 7:17:15 GMT -5
Pentagram: Pentacle: Hmm... Unfortunately it is true. That hurts to know, but still. One girl told me that my pentcle was a sign of a Devil worshipper. That annoyed me, because she continued to look at me weirdly.... I've been through the same sort of thing a lot--and probably talked about it earlier in this thread, which I'm too lazy to fully reread. Recently a boy said to me, "you shop at Hot Topic, don't you?[Yes] Isn't that like, a devil-worshipping store?" I do my best to just ignore these people.
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Post by Soidanae on Oct 7, 2004 17:43:16 GMT -5
what two? pentacles and pentagrams? inverted and non-inverted? unsure of what you're asking kiddo.... My posts have been slow both times. I've never completely understood the differences between Christianity and Satanism, other than the worshipped.
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Post by redwine with valium on Oct 7, 2004 21:26:50 GMT -5
Ha! I shop at Hot Topic, and as everyone knows, I'm very much a Christian!
I believe that Satanists and all types of witches (Wiccans included) are going to hell. They are completely against God and His teachings, despite what a few Wiccans claim. This is my firm belief, and if that offends somebody, tough.
That was very interesting information on the penticle/pentegram, thanks. Though I am against Satanism, I'm always interested in the history of religion.
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Tease
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Post by Tease on Oct 7, 2004 22:01:54 GMT -5
All of these people are so sad that they practice these things....
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