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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 2, 2005 16:53:07 GMT -5
I am sorry if this has already been discussed or if it is in the wrong section. I came across this while I was reading UA. The family tree isn't really a family tree at all. It is like this first there are three people A, B, and C. C is Chas Snicket. Then Chas has three neophytes D, E, and F. Next D has three neophytes G, H, and I. G is either Gustav or Gregory. H is Hector. I is Ike. After that E has three neophytes J, K, and L. J is Jacques. K is Kit. L is Lemony. Finally F has three neophytes M, N, and O. O is Olaf. And so on until the ran out of the alphabet. Then they used any letter they wanted. B could stand for Beatrice. D could stand for Daniel. E could stand for Esme. F could stand for Fiona or Fernald. M and N are Olaf's brother and sister. Please post what you think here.
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Post by Antenora on Jul 2, 2005 17:07:06 GMT -5
The letters might not necessarily all stand for initials, and if they do they're not necessarily characters we recognize. It doesn't make too much sense for D to have recruited Hector and Ike(and whoever the other one is) as I get the impression that he's about the same age as these people, and would have been too young to be recruiting when those three were of recruitable age. The same goes for Esme recruiting the Snicket siblings. Fiona and Fernald both seem to be younger than Olaf, so it makes even less sense for either of them to recruit him, and two others of about the same age or older.
Edit: I think there was a thread about this, but it's pretty old by now.
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Post by Dante on Jul 3, 2005 3:37:24 GMT -5
The old thread is indeed too old to be used again, so let's move our discussions here. However, I recommend that everybody read through the old thread before putting forward their ideas: asoue.proboards11.com/index.cgi?board=auto&action=display&thread=1104185049I remain of the opinion that it is indeed a family tree. Recent books only back me up on this - the sinister duo's power over Olaf can be explained by their being older siblings of his, and Isaac Anwhistle has a brother whose name begins with G., for example.
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 3, 2005 13:30:34 GMT -5
It could be a family tree but that would mean Lemony and Olaf are related.
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Post by Dante on Jul 3, 2005 13:35:18 GMT -5
The problem there being...?
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 3, 2005 13:39:11 GMT -5
The problem there being...? That would mean that what Lemony said while writing the book be false. There fore proving Lemony was bad instead of good.
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Post by Dante on Jul 3, 2005 13:44:06 GMT -5
Where did Lemony say he had no relations / wasn't related to Olaf?
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 3, 2005 13:52:49 GMT -5
I managed to decode a few messages with the sebald code in AU. One saying that another saying that a photo was of him the only photo that his head isn't turned, it isn't burnt, or blurred.
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Post by Shelly on Jul 11, 2005 22:35:00 GMT -5
hmmmmm . . . that's a good poin there . . .
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Post by Sixteen on Jul 12, 2005 3:37:34 GMT -5
I managed to decode a few messages with the sebald code in AU. One saying that another saying that a photo was of him the only photo that his head isn't turned, it isn't burnt, or blurred. Where were these messages?
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Post by Antenora on Jul 12, 2005 5:50:49 GMT -5
I'd also like to know where in the UA I can find these coded messages, and what they state exactly.
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Post by Dante on Jul 12, 2005 5:54:42 GMT -5
He can't be using Sebald Code or Verse Fluctuation Declaration, as several people have checked the chapter with the book extracts and frequent rings for Sebald Code and found nothing, and I've looked for Verse Fluctuation Declaration in the quotes and found none.
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Post by jcgsebald on Jul 12, 2005 19:42:56 GMT -5
He can't be using Sebald Code or Verse Fluctuation Declaration, as several people have checked the chapter with the book extracts and frequent rings for Sebald Code and found nothing, and I've looked for Verse Fluctuation Declaration in the quotes and found none. He is. When you first start it looks like just babble. Then you take out the important words. Then you have the message.
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Post by Dante on Jul 13, 2005 1:53:04 GMT -5
Would you mind telling us exactly what it said, with page references and stuff?
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Post by Antenora on Jul 13, 2005 6:03:10 GMT -5
He is. When you first start it looks like just babble. Then you take out the important words. Then you have the message. I don't recall a part of the UA that looks like babble, unless you try Sebalding it. I second Dante's request for the relevant page numbers.
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