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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 13, 2004 21:10:22 GMT -5
Hahahaha, J, you sure come up with some funny stuff... |
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Post by Celinra on Apr 13, 2004 21:34:22 GMT -5
Okay, did it ever occur to you, that we are the only ones giving evidence, anyway... We give evidence, well I sure do, as to why God exist, but no athiests give evidence as to why he doesn't, hence, J creating the new thread... I mean, all the athiests do is say things along the lines of "Oh, well we can't see him, so he can't be real..." and "Oh, there is no proof that the Bible is real..." and garbage like that... Actually, I see more evidence from them than you. All you have to say to their arguments is, quote, "I'm sorry, but in my opinion, evolution is one of the stupidest theories out there..." You don't say why you think that. So, you're not really giving much evidence. The others are giving quite a bit of reasoning for their beliefs (i.e. Kobolos' mini-lessons), but you're just basically saying "It's in the Bible, it must be true." As I said, that doesn't cut it for people who don't believe the Bible to be true in the first place. If you would go do research and whatnot to back up your opinions, that would be very nice and refreshing to see. Also, you don't have to be so rude to them, just because they believe different from you (and maybe you don't realize just how rude you're being, but trust me, you are). |
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 10:24:26 GMT -5
Actually, I see more evidence from them than you. All you have to say to their arguments is, quote, "I'm sorry, but in my opinion, evolution is one of the stupidest theories out there..." You don't say why you think that. So, you're not really giving much evidence. The others are giving quite a bit of reasoning for their beliefs (i.e. Kobolos' mini-lessons), but you're just basically saying "It's in the Bible, it must be true." As I said, that doesn't cut it for people who don't believe the Bible to be true in the first place. If you would go do research and whatnot to back up your opinions, that would be very nice and refreshing to see. Also, you don't have to be so rude to them, just because they believe different from you (and maybe you don't realize just how rude you're being, but trust me, you are). Do you even read threads? That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, I don't give evidence or arguements... That's all I do! Read my first post in here... What evidence did they give? |
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Post by Celinra on Apr 14, 2004 11:18:23 GMT -5
Alright, I just reread all your posts in here, and cannot find any evidence given by you, Jerome. If you would like to find where you have a good argument I'm missing, then by all means, copy-paste it so I can see it. Meanwhile, J (for example) has said the things that turned her to Athiesm, but you've given no solid reasons for why you're a Christian.
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 11:38:27 GMT -5
Read my first post in Theorilogical Debate... I'm not going to type it all over again...
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Post by Celinra on Apr 14, 2004 21:35:57 GMT -5
All you have to do is copy paste...
I belong to the Christianity faith...
I believe God exist, because for:
1. The Bible, of course... I find it hard to believe that it is a hoaxe, made up, for some unknown reason... It tells so much, and why would prophets follow someone who was not there?
2. Science proves that there is some higher being, that created us, and the universe. How could we all have been created from nothing... At once, there had to be nothing... If not, how can you believe that space always was, but it is impossible that God always was?
3. Claims from all the people who were helped by God, for instance, a child that had no chance to live, miraculously is healed. Tell me you never heard of a story about that or the same subject....
4. Prayer... Often, if reasonable, prayer works... If you pray to God to make you rich, it is out of greed and selfishness, so of course he won't do it, but tell me you never prayed for something, like a problem, acne, a fight at school, and it did not go away, or else di happen but turned out for the better...
5. Proof found, for instance, Noah's Ark found, Jesus's crucifiction site...
Alright then, good examples... but can you back them up on further questioning?
1) Any proof that the Bible not a hoax (i.e. geological evidence, corraborative historical documents)? Anyways, there are prophets of other religions, so according to you, aren't they following someone who's not there?
2) Alright, you've proved there's probably a creator of some kind. And that's it.
3) How do you know it's not just placebo? A lot of times, a sugar pill could cure a person, just because they believe it's something else that can cure them. Isn't it possible it's the same here (i.e. someone believes hard enough that God will cure them, so they're cured)?
4) Again, isn't it possible that prayer is a big placebo? Anyways, isn't asking for acne taken away being selfish?
5) Many cultures have stories of great floods, how do you know that the ark that's found is Noah's? And, how do you know it's Jesus' crucifixion site? Many people were crucified...
Note that I do agree with you, but these are the type of questions one is likely to get from skeptics. I'm trying to get you prepared for dealing with these issues.
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Post by BSam on Apr 14, 2004 21:43:52 GMT -5
how do you know it's Jesus' crucifixion site? well, seeing as how only 3 people have been crucified it's at least a 1 in 3 chance, those are pretty good odds... |
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 21:45:28 GMT -5
As I have already said, there is no final answer. And doi not say you have one, because you do not... As I already said, do you honestly believe God is going to give outrgith proof that he exist? No way, because then everyone would go to Heaven, and there would be no point of free will...
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 21:46:41 GMT -5
For every piece of evidence you give, people are going to cancel it out with stupid theories, like the one about the miracles and prayer answerings being... placebos...
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Post by Celinra on Apr 14, 2004 21:52:10 GMT -5
Are you even bothering to look for other answers to their arguments (i.e. that sometimes people didn't know they were being prayed for, so it couldn't be placebo)?
There's no outright proof, but there's certainly more proof than what you're giving.
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 21:58:47 GMT -5
How can you yell at me that there is proof, that I need to find... You are not some sensai, sending me on some mystical journey to find my inner self, when you know the answer... If you got what you say you got, say what you got! (Your Proof)
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Post by Kobolos on Apr 14, 2004 21:59:37 GMT -5
do you honestly believe God is going to give outrgith proof that he exist? No way, because then everyone would go to Heaven, and there would be no point of free will... Hmm...according to your Bible, he gave all sorts of proof and showings.... |
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Post by JeromeSqualor on Apr 14, 2004 22:09:36 GMT -5
Yes, but athiest will still find something stupid to cancel that proof out...
... placebos....
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Post by Kobolos on Apr 14, 2004 22:14:28 GMT -5
those wacky athiests...they always do something...
Hey, doesn't Pat Robertson speak to God all the time?
I like Pat, according to him Witches can fly, read your mind, and make you fall completely and totally in love with us....
I'd settle for levitation holmes.
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Post by BSam on Apr 14, 2004 22:17:17 GMT -5
Yes, but athiest will still find something stupid to cancel that proof out... you'[re the only one i see here trying to cancel out her proof... you aren't one of those crazy atheists are you? imagine what god would say about that... |
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