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Post by MisterM on Jul 9, 2015 5:30:16 GMT -5
I'm somehow more convinced that its real now than I was when it was first released
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Post by Hermes on Jul 9, 2015 10:09:20 GMT -5
OK: It seems we know who did it (Digital Artists Collective); these people are professionals, but are prepared to do work on their own account in order to get themselves noticed. They did the fake American Horror Story video (which I take it is universally agreed to be a fake?). The way it got publicity, through a mass twitter campaign, seems understandable as well.
Now, it doesn't seem to me impossible that, after the fake AHS video, someone from Netflix approached them in a dark alley and said 'If you make a "fake" video for ASOUE, we will make it worth your while'. The statements from Netflix, and from Handler and Brown, seem oblique enough to be consistent with that; they could have denied it much more straightforwardly.
#itsprobablyreal
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Post by Tryina Denouement on Jul 9, 2015 11:12:35 GMT -5
Well, after reading Hermes's post, I'm team #theypaidsomeonetodoit
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Post by Dante on Jul 9, 2015 12:02:46 GMT -5
Well, that depends on your definition of "real," though, doesn't it? If their production does not reflect the eventual work of Netflix, is in no way indicative of their style and approach, doesn't tell you anything about a production that hasn't even begun yet, then can it really be called "real" even if they were given some money for it? I would describe it more as "fake fake fake," or maybe "fake fake fake real."
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Post by Hermes on Jul 9, 2015 14:15:59 GMT -5
I wasn't thinking of money. I was thinking they might be hired to work on the real thing, as apparently they were on AHS.
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Post by Teleram on Jul 9, 2015 14:27:26 GMT -5
i'm somewhere between #itsreal and #notofficialbutnetflixwasinvolvedinit
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Post by B. on Jul 9, 2015 15:07:31 GMT -5
^Second hastag is a more accurate representation of my feelings, but for the sake of marketing our campaign, team #itsreal is more snappy.
I also read that apparently the filmmaker who made the trailer did indeed create the Elenora Poe youtube account, but have no idea who is behind the twitter and phone line.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 9, 2015 15:48:49 GMT -5
It strikes me that another interpretation is possible; that it was made entirely on spec, but that on seeing it Netflix expressed interest, and that's why they are saying rather oblique things.
But I think if Netflix was in any way instrumental in getting it made, it does tell us something; that they are committed to the series and prepared to invest in it. Up to now I wasn't sure of that; 'we are still looking for a director' sounded a bit like 'we are not sure if it will happen'. This makes it much more likely that it will.
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Post by reptilepatrol on Jul 9, 2015 17:16:30 GMT -5
I think that even if this won't be a reflection of what ends up in the final version due to the fact that they don't even have a director yet and whatnot, if Netflix is indeed involved to at least some extent, then as Hermes said, that's still very promising. The Twitter account could easily be a fake, just someone trying to get attention: someone noticed the @elanorapoe handle was available and then created a fake Twitter account and followed the relevant people to make it seem real. However, since the Twitter account hasn't really done anything much, I don't think that it would be significant in the discussion as to whether the teaser is real or not, at least for now. Back to the teaser: although it would be really comforting to think that Netflix was somehow involved, at the very least involved in simply hiring Digital Artists Coalition to make this and not participating in a creative capacity, is there really any true, solid evidence to suggest this? We can dissect Netflix's/Handler's/Brown's vague and whimsical statements however we want, but the statements are open ended enough for anybody to reasonably conclude that either a) Netflix was somehow involved or b) Netflix wasn't involved and is merely playing along because it's free marketing. And it seems like it was clearly intention that their statements were made this way so one could not for sure draw a truly solid conclusion. I had earlier thought that the best place to look for clues would be figuring out how they managed to get permission to use the Dresden Dolls music. The theory that Netflix was involved and used their experience in liscencing things to get permission (or even just the connection between the band and Daniel Handler) is of course a lot more believable than "Warner magically gives random fan permission to distribute copyrighted music", but if a group like DAC made it and not some random hardcore fan (as previously thought by many), wouldn't a company like DAC also have a much better capacity for negotiating such deals than compared to a random fan? Idk, I just feel like a company would have a better ability to negotiate such an agreement than an individual or team of individuals - but even if that were the case, the new theory floating around that Netflix hired DAC to do this would of course mean Netflix's involvement in creative decisions and music liscencing could be minimal, if any. We don't even know for sure if Netflix was involved yet, so to discuss their degree of involvement may be premature. Anyway, the last thing I want to point out that there is still debate on whether or not this is real, so whoever did this is doing a really amazing job of covering their tracks so even dedicated investigators like us can't really conclude for sure whether it's real or fake or something in between. Random idea: maybe we can track down some contact info for DAC and ask them about this?  They'll probably provide something vague and cryptic as well but it'll at least add something new and fresh for us to take a look at. EDIT: here we go: www.digitalartistcoalition.com#teamfinishtheinvestigationbeforeyoudeclarethingsbutreallyhopeitsrealevenifitcompromisesmyinvestigation |
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Post by Linda Rhaldeen on Jul 10, 2015 9:27:40 GMT -5
#itswhiteandgold
Wait, wrong viral discussion. Regardless of whether it's real or not, his is one of the most exciting things to hit the Snicket world this year and it is making me very excited for the Netflix series.
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Post by Hermes on Jul 10, 2015 14:58:41 GMT -5
reptilepatrol: Yes, I see what you mean. We thought it had to be real because it was so professional, but that's explained now. I think there are still things that give cause for suspicion; Lisa Brown 'Fake' in quotes is a very odd way to put it if it was straightforwardly fake; Netflix's denial is oddly worded as well. But this could be all coincidence.
As to the Dresden Dolls; they seemed to think it was real. Now that could be either because it was authorised, or because it came to them out of nowhere, and they just assumed permission had been given by their management. But given that it's a professional outfit, I do think it's odd they have not been stopped from using it if it's unauthorised (whereas if it were just J. Random Fan, I wouldn't be surprised if they just said 'eh, who cares?').
(It's white and gold, by the way.)
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Post by Violent BUN Fortuna on Jul 10, 2015 16:11:47 GMT -5
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Post by reptilepatrol on Jul 11, 2015 2:18:20 GMT -5
Got my hands on a saved copy of Eleanora Poe's deleted Tweet in my notifications, where she shared this link: anwhistleaquatics.com I questioned the authenticity of this @eleanorapoe Twitter account (it really looks like whoever this is is just trying to piggyback off the attention the teaser is getting, but then again, I don't have any proof of this), but this blog looks pretty nice and detailed. The top post is a letter about one of her articles, which I have accordingly decoded with Sebald Code (spoilers below if you don't want to miss the fun of decoding it yourself), but anyway here's what it said: Volunteers needed emergency if anything suspicious call 92 nine two 74 three four seven three no names line not safe others are listening EDIT 2: Nevermind the blog isn't relevant to the topic, sorry guys haha (see my post on the next page) EDIT: Hermes Usually I find (from my own personal experiences at least) the only instances where one would be able to get away with using copyrighted material is either a) a deal was negotiated, which is more likely for a professional outfit, or b) a disclaimer is included in the description indicating the appropriate copyright holder, but since there is no such description, this makes it more likely that whoever uploaded the teaser went through the whole process of going through Warner Music (I assume they are the ones who manage The Dresden Dolls?) to get permission to use this. Netflix, as a company that does a lot of licensing to get movies and TV shows and stuff, would certainly have the know-how to pull this off, but then DAC could as well, theoretically, I suppose. So then ever since we uncovered the DAC website, possible connections through the fact that they managed to license the music have sort of disappeared - though I haven't fully vetted the link between Handler's band and the lead singer of TDD (the one about the Coraline audiobook or something?), is that one still true? |
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Post by Dante on Jul 11, 2015 5:19:40 GMT -5
Oh boy, even more vague publicity material which we have no way of knowing the authenticity of. That makes, what, at least three layers? Firstly, the Eleanora Poe YouTube teaser, which is still unconfirmed to be linked to Netflix; secondly, the Eleanora Poe Twitter, which is still unconfirmed to be linked to the Eleanora Poe YouTube; and now, the Anwhistle Aquatics Tumblr and Twtiter, which are still unconfirmed to be linked to the Eleanora Poe Twitter. It is impossible for me to be interested in this without knowing if it's meaningful or just the latest in a string of attention-seeking gamejackers. Let's recall that nobody associated with Handler or Netflix has ever acknowledged anything beyond the initial teaser, and all have described that teaser as fake and never mentioned it again.
Re: The Dresden Dolls business, the lead singer, Amanda Palmer, is indeed married to Neil Gaiman, who is indeed an acquaintance of Handler's who recently made a joint appearance with him, and The Gothic Archies, which Handler occasionally performs in with his friend Stephin Merritt, did indeed perform for the audiobook of Gaiman's Coraline. In other words, Handler would have had a link through which to arrange licensing for the use of TDD's song.
Edit: Actually, here's what Amanda Palmer had to say about the trailer on her Twitter:
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Post by Hermes on Jul 11, 2015 6:32:39 GMT -5
Can you make out what Ms Palmer means? It is oddly ungrammatical.
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They'll probably provide something vague and cryptic as well but it'll at least add something new and fresh for us to take a look at. EDIT: here we go: 
