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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 24, 2005 18:43:26 GMT -5
Evidence DOES suggest that Esme was in VFD, why would you say absolutely that she wasn't?
And I'm warming up to the idea of VFD pseudonyms being repeatedly used by different members.
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Post by PJ on May 25, 2005 2:38:27 GMT -5
I had an idea. Perhaps there was once a man called Julio Sham, and he invented that particular disguise, and now, his name is used whenever the disguise is used. Or perhaps there was a captain called Julio Sham who VFD decided to impersonate, for some reason.
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Post by Dante on May 25, 2005 4:27:56 GMT -5
Evidence for Esmé being in V.F.D. is ambiguous. She didn't know the coded coffee stain, although that can be explained as an unofficial code, seeing as Widdershins taught it to Olivia rather than a V.F.D. instructor teaching it to both of them. Her childhood doesn't sound very V.F.D. - I think they'd object to their subjects throwing copies of Anna Karenina into fires, but then again, they might not know. In terms of evidence for, then she invaded the Building Committee meeting alongside Olaf, and she seems to know plenty of V.F.D. secrets - but one might argue that she doesn't actually need to be a volunteer for this to happen. The evidence goes both ways.
I, however, believe that she was in V.F.D.
PJ, your ideas are too similar to the normal proposed theory, which is the one I object to.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 25, 2005 18:15:30 GMT -5
I don't think there was ever a 'real julio sham' I mean, the name itself suggests otherwise.
And Esme having to read Anna Karenina but throwing it into the fire brings to mind that she could've been something of a rebellious neophyte who, before she could truly be initiated into VFD, joined up with Olaf as the schism began, at least that's how I interpret it.
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Post by Ennui on May 25, 2005 23:43:39 GMT -5
Regarding your first point, I have repeatedly suggested that "Sham" is a piece of irony not to be taken too simplistically. Besides, were it a disguise name, it would, to an extent, be Sham.
Your second point I'm in agreement with, though.
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Post by PJ on May 26, 2005 17:23:31 GMT -5
PJ, your ideas are too similar to the normal proposed theory, which is the one I object to. Well, I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree with you. And send a ninja assassin |
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 26, 2005 19:03:25 GMT -5
Murder is unnecessary. Even I don't kill dissenters for no reason....
And I'm really tired of the whole sham thing. It's really not that important, and there's no point debating it endlessly, chances are not much is going to be revealed about it...
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Post by PJ on May 27, 2005 8:07:40 GMT -5
And I'm really tired of the whole sham thing. It's really not that important, and there's no point debating it endlessly, chances are not much is going to be revealed about it... But that's exactly WHAT we are debating! If it IS important! Once Dante's dead, I'll instruct my ninja to go after you |
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Post by jcgsebald on May 27, 2005 16:09:14 GMT -5
Dear Darth Linda,
All Esme knows is from Olaf.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on May 27, 2005 18:00:01 GMT -5
Well then my opinion is that I doubt it's important and that it's cumbersome and pointless to debate such a small detail that's so far appeared in only one book, perhaps 2.
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Post by jcgsebald on Jun 5, 2005 10:03:06 GMT -5
JS stands for many people. Their names are:
Justice Strauss
Jacques Snicket
Jake Snicket
Jerome Squalor
or maybe some one else.
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jun 5, 2005 18:13:21 GMT -5
Ugh, you're doing it AGAIN.
No way it stands for ALL of those people but yes there could be multiple JS's involved in this...
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Post by Ennui on Jun 5, 2005 23:27:29 GMT -5
Beatrice is an octopus.
Lemony Snicket is a woman.
Justice Strauss is Darth Vader. Is so...
ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES...
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Post by Jacques the Environmentalist on Jun 7, 2005 18:06:30 GMT -5
That last quote is very true but the rest of them are nonsense.
May I ask what the point of that post was?
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Post by Ennui on Jun 8, 2005 2:02:23 GMT -5
I'm on your side, if you but knew it. I'm mocking jwhateversebald's posts. Now I have to explain my witticisms, they aren't funny any more. I think I might join BSam and turn to alcoholism...
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