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Post by runordie on Oct 16, 2006 4:47:44 GMT -5
We never foud out what happened to it. Where is it, what is inside and why is it so damn important? Discuss.
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Post by Dante on Oct 16, 2006 7:01:23 GMT -5
Hi. Our current spoiler rules say that we'll only have spoiler-related threads allowed outside the "The End" board on Friday 20th, so I'm moving this over to The End. You might want to browse the rules; they cover post-release as well as pre-release. |
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Post by SadOccasion on Oct 16, 2006 14:28:54 GMT -5
I'm not particularly interested in the usgar bowl anymore at this point, but I don't look down on anyone who wants to theorize, as that was the whole point of Snicket's ambigous ending in the first place.
The End seemed to lend to it being horseradish, wasabi, one of the bitter apples or something of the like, but that doesnt' really match up well with the way it was treated in previous books.
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Post by Sixteen on Oct 16, 2006 14:37:38 GMT -5
I think it held applesauce.
As SadOcassion said, it was hinted at in TE. I got applesauce from when it says something about the pot they used to bring the apples to the castaways (that it was once used to make applesauce).
It was significant because it held the "weapon" that either side could use against the Medusoid Mycelium.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2006 14:47:57 GMT -5
didn't the guy in the Taxi get it in TPP?
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Post by pullerofstrings on Oct 16, 2006 15:05:19 GMT -5
Yes, the taximan did get it, and I'm now certain he was Lemony Snicket because Esme confirmed in TPP that Beatrice stole the sugar bowl from her in the first place, while Lemony said in an earlier book that HE stole it. The appearence of the taximan that took the sugar bowl seems to confirm that LS DID take it, but he was referring to TPP all along (possibly).
Then again, this theory of mine is disproved by the fact that LS (the character) only seems to know what was going on as it happened by the book. To put it simply, TSS had a hidden letter to Kit Snicket, but she died three books later, so he mustn't have known the conclusion of the Baudelaire story at that time. This disproves my theory because if LS WAS referring to himself stealing the sugar bowl in his babblings all those books ago, he would have had to have known the events of TPP, which is impossible.
In fact, if he WAS doing it by the book, then his motivation for writing down the Baudelaire case in the first place becomes obscure, because he wouldn't have known young Beatrice Baudelaire at the start, and he wouldn't have known that his sister was dead. Perhaps it was out of loyalty to the Baudelaire Mum?
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Post by SadOccasion on Oct 16, 2006 15:56:27 GMT -5
I think stealing the sugar bowl MAY have been the crime he helped Beatrice commit although it very well could have been the poison darts thing...
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the13end
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Post by the13end on Oct 16, 2006 17:43:54 GMT -5
I wish we could find out what's inside!!! I'm really angry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean, if we don't know what happened to it, why do they even put it in the series?
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Post by superorange on Oct 16, 2006 20:55:14 GMT -5
I mean, if we don't know what happened to it, why do they even put it in the series? Because it's still important to the story? |
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Post by SadOccasion on Oct 17, 2006 6:29:01 GMT -5
Right, superorange. The sugar bowl still shaped pretty much the whole plot of The Penultimate Peril, even if we don't know what's inside it. It was important ot the Baudelaire's story that we know that it existed.
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Post by jacob4000 on Oct 17, 2006 15:35:49 GMT -5
I still don't see how the Sugar Bowl could be an apple, or horse radish etc...
"Then you know all about the sugar bowl and what's inside. You know how important the thing was, and how many lives were lost in the quest to find it. You know how difficult it was to find a container that could hold it safely, securely, and attractively. You Know what it means to the Baudelaires and what it means to the Snickets." --Esme (tpp)
This, to me, just doesn't seem like it could be one of those apples or wasabi or horse raddish. Why would that be so important if you could simply walk into the corner market and by some horseradish? Esme also says that it was hers, and I don't see Esme stock piling horseradish...
I'm guessing it has something to do with information--doesn't Esme say earlier that the info could incriminate she and Olaf? Bah...I can't remember...
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Post by beatriceblake on Oct 17, 2006 17:53:24 GMT -5
I thought one of the books mentioned it contained a recording device. Does anyone remember which book refers to a sugar bowl as being a useful place to hide a recording device?
Therefore I always thought the sugar bowl contained a recording of Esme and possibly Olaf admitting to various villainous deeds, including setting fires that Lemony Snicket was blamed for.
I don't like the idea that it contained horseradish or a hybrid apple because horseradish is easy to come by, so why would it be so sought after?
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laret
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Post by laret on Oct 19, 2006 13:00:29 GMT -5
in some ways im glad we didnt find out, because as klaus said
"you cant ever read a story and have every question answered, even if you'd like to"
and really it wouldnt have fitted into the story as Kit is teh only one who may know what it cntains and there was hardly a moment for her to tell them
the only way i can thing that it coul have been weaved into the story is by it washing up on the shores on the island but as the taxi driver got it that would be ridiculous.
i dont think it matters whats in the sugar bowl or why its important, its important to both sides of the Schim and that all that matters.
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Post by hogwartsrebel on Oct 20, 2006 1:37:24 GMT -5
Perhaps, as it's been suggested already, it's simply nothing more than a macguffin (or as Sunny states in the book during a certain incident, 'mcguffin'). A macguffin is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story. Therefore, it's not important that we find out what's in the bowl. All that's important is that both sides want it and it's driving the rest of the story.
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Post by SadOccasion on Oct 20, 2006 13:23:05 GMT -5
Perhaps, as it's been suggested already, it's simply nothing more than a macguffin (or as Sunny states in the book during a certain incident, 'mcguffin'). A macguffin is a plot device that motivates the characters and advances the story, but has little other relevance to the story. Therefore, it's not important that we find out what's in the bowl. All that's important is that both sides want it and it's driving the rest of the story. Very true. Despite the fact that there WAS a sugar bowl drove the plot of the 12th book, the story made perfect sense without knowing what was in it. |
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