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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 20, 2012 22:12:41 GMT -5
Thanks everyone! I will definitely take a look at those notes.
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 20, 2012 15:17:13 GMT -5
I have been reading on here this talk about the "Female Finnish Pirates" from what I believe is TBB rare edition? Well, I don't have the rare edition, and I was wondering, who are they? How do they fit into the story? I tried looking them up elsewhere but for some reason nothing much is coming up. And I think someone on here said that the Baudelaire's meet them at Briny Beach in the rare edition? So basically, what is the story-line behind it?
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 19, 2012 16:51:54 GMT -5
I actually just found my copy of TBB, I was trying to look for my copies of the series to skim through/re-read it all before ATWQ comes out. (can't wait!) But back on topic, yes, when we first meet the troupe it's in chapter four (U.S. version) and it says that when the Baudelaire's are at the grocery store they tell one of the clerks that they need items for "thirteen people" (again with Handler's love of the number 13) which includes the "ten" people in Olaf's troupe including themselves. And when the troupe appears at Olaf's house for the rehearsal and dinner.
The text says, "Soon they were crowding the room, an assortment of strange-looking characters of all shapes and sizes. There was a bald man with a very long nose, dressed in a long black robe. There were two women who had bright white powder all over their faces, making them look like ghosts. Behind the women was a man with very long and skinny arms, at the end of which were two hooks instead of hands. There was a person who was extremely fat, and who looked like neither a man nor a woman. And behind this person, standing in the doorway, were an assortment of people the children could not see but who promised to be just as frightening."
So even though those people in chapter four are never specifically described, were they the same people, the other five that is, we meet in chapter 12 when they are setting up the stage? And if so, they were "promised to be just as frightening". Of course this is from the Baudelaire's point of view, and it's hard to tell what kind of people they were, but besides the wart-faced man, were the three short men and the short-haired woman really innocent of Olaf's plans?
By the way Hermes, I really like the idea that the wart-faced man was possibly not in Olaf's troupe at all and is just an individual villain. Like Orwell, or the sinister duo.
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 18:13:54 GMT -5
This has probably been talked about before, but I'll mention it anyway. What exactly happened to the "wart-faced" man? His first appearance was in TBB, but then you never see him again. And weren't there others? It's kind of hard to remember since it's actually been a while since I've read it. But weren't there three short people in the troupe? And a couple of others? What happened to them? And there was some talk about the "pimple-faced" man. Was he really the bald man with the long nose? Since some people were saying it was really him. Does anyone have any theories? Or has this thread been discussed before?
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 17:32:49 GMT -5
I made a little video a while back, and posted it on YouTube. It's just pictures of some of the characters with music I thought fit well with the vid. Some of the pictures are Brett Helquist, and others are from fan-works, which are also really good. Here is the video:
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 15:58:16 GMT -5
Thirteen chapters! Of course! I can't wait. That gets me excited too. ;D
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 15:14:54 GMT -5
I see that they keep releasing the chapters on line for people to read. And on here it said chapters three and four released. I have to admit, sarcastically I thought to myself, 'well jeez, they might as well not even release the book itself if they are just going to continue to give us large excerpts of the chapters.' Is it just the first four chapters (hopefully)? And how many chapters of the first book are there going to be?
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 15:07:05 GMT -5
Oh no, I'm not that mad about it. I didn't mean for it to sound that way. If Liam Aiken is actually doing it, then I'm sure he'll do a good job. I'm just a big fan of Tim Curry and I thought his reading of ASOUE was fantastic. And because of that, it's going to be a little hard to think of the audio books without him. I'll just miss him, that's all.
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 13:29:20 GMT -5
"Also, we can question whether Handler knew or cared about how twins and triplets work in real life relative to how they work in fiction, too."
Yeah, I kind of thought about that, since Hermes actually just reminded me about Duncan and Isadora being "identical" which I completely forgot about until now. And I agree that would be absurd since identical twins/triplets, etc. of the opposite sex is illogical.
And I thought of this thread while reading an article about triplets where sometimes after two eggs have been fertilized, one of them will split, and the other just stays the same. It's kind of funny that after reading about that I almost immediately thought of the Quagmire's; and wondered if it was the same for them, or if they were all just three separate eggs in the beginning.
Oh and one more thing; in what order were the triplets age? I also cannot remember if this was stated in the books specifically, probably not, but this is also something I kind of thought about. It seems like whenever the triplets were presented it was always as "Duncan, Isadora and Quigley Quagmire"; and I always sort of imagined that this was Handler's way of also giving us the order of when they were born. As in, Duncan was first, then Isadora followed, and then Quigley is the youngest of them.
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 4:41:18 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, in the series it said that the Quagmire's all looked very much alike, but I can't be sure. And I apologize if this has already been discussed on here. This is just a bit of fun speculation. How do you think the triplets were formed? Do you think they are all fraternal? Or do you think Duncan and Quigley are an identical pair? Obviously either way, Isadora will always be fraternal since she's the only female of the trio, but when it comes to the boys, how do you think they formed? Of course they are going to look similar in the sense that they are siblings, and siblings often do look very much alike; but for some reason I always imagined the boys to be fraternal. I don't know why. I imagined that they looked alike like any other brother/sister would but I always thought they were fraternal.
How did anyone else imagine the triplets while reading the series?
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 18, 2012 3:47:52 GMT -5
If Tim Curry is not doing the audiobooks for ATWQ then that's really sad....
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 17, 2012 23:41:00 GMT -5
Okay, I know it's been many months, BUT I feel like I have to mention this. If people are still speculating about this, I still truly don't think Lemony is the bio dad of any of the kids; and I believe I also found a little more evidence I thought I should mention. And the reason is because when I read the TBL, the very last letter that Lemony gives to Beatrice is in a telegram form that was never sent. Lemony writes to Beatrice telling her that he has just found out that she is pregnant and that it's her and Bertrand's first child. He tells her "I hope you have a healthy baby girl, with your intelligence, charm." etc. etc. And later in the telegram he says, "Forgive me for contacting you one last time. After all these years, I know how dangerous it is".......
So basically, we are under the impression that it's been a VERY long time since he's seen Beatrice or Bertrand, and they are apparently about to have their first child (Violet).
So I pretty much believe that is suppose to confirm right there that Bertrand is the bio dad of all the Baudelaire kids. I thought that was the point. Sorry I know it's been a while, but I recently just reread parts of TBL and thought I would share what I just realized while reading it.
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Post by friendofvfd on Sept 17, 2012 23:05:27 GMT -5
Sorry, for the delay. It's been a couple of months but I wanted to say thanks for you answers. To be honest I actually don't remember any mentioning of Bruce in TPP. I guess I'll just read the book again. And yeah, that does seem strange if they are mentioning him in a way that suggests he's free. Maybe it's a different Bruce?.....
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Post by friendofvfd on Jul 22, 2012 22:50:14 GMT -5
I have two questions, and I apologize if they have already been asked but; was it ever said what Esme's maiden name was? And if so, what was it? And also, what happened to Bruce? I think the last time we see him was with the Snow Scouts in TSS, but then I don't remember him appearing again after that.
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Post by friendofvfd on Jul 22, 2012 22:05:04 GMT -5
I can't really choose which one is my TOTAL favorite since the series is pretty big. But one of them that I can think of right now is when the Baudelaire's discover a third Denouement triplet, and Dewey explains to them all about his secret catalog.
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